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> Meanwhile Europe has been in freefall for a decade and nobody here seems to notice. We all have different values that matter. Europeans (for better or worse)
by diggan 2y ago
> Meanwhile Europe has been in freefall for a decade and nobody here seems to notice.
We all have different values that matter. Europeans (for better or worse) tend to prefer stability, probably because of past experiences, over oligarchy and free capitalism, while the US is almost the exact opposite.
So both parties look at the other and see "freefall decline for decades", both being smug about the other being worse, while we in reality care about different things.
- throw_pm23 2y agoThe stability of Europe is an illusion. Politically and economically Europe is becoming a lightweight who will not be able to do anything without the US permission.
- diggan 2y ago> The stability of Europe is an illusion I'm not sure how familiar you are with the history of the continent, but this is probably the most stable and peaceful time-period of the continent since humans started populating it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Europe is a great introduction to the subject.
- throw_pm23 2y agoYes, and the second most stable and peaceful moment was 1913 when people were celebrating a half-century of continuous growth and prosperity. I think I'll pass your introduction, thanks.
- diggan 2y agoAs I said, Americans and Europeans clearly care about different things :) Your sole focus on "growth" and "prosperity" makes this crystal clear and will make a good example of this in future discussions.
- throw_pm23 2y agoYou may value other things like peace or a societal safety net or good healthcare or plenty of free time for your hobbies, etc. but it will be hard to maintain all these without growth and prosperity; like it or not, these things were paid for by VW selling cars abroad and the US Army protecting you. Europe is facing a rude awakening.