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Is there anything we can do? I don’t mean to ask that and imply that there is nothing. I mean it as an honest question. Is there a process or organization to s

by tyleo 2y ago

Is there anything we can do? I don’t mean to ask that and imply that there is nothing. I mean it as an honest question. Is there a process or organization to snap into right now to help?

croes 2y ago
Congress, lol
- jjulius 2y ago
  That. Or pitchforks. Or holes outside of towns[1]. [1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42318504 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42318504
  - croes 2y ago
    From 2020 but still fitting https://theshovel.com.au/2020/06/04/nra-accidentally-forgets-to-rise-up-against-tyrannical-government/ https://theshovel.com.au/2020/06/04/nra-accidentally-forgets...
duxup 2y ago
Vote when the time comes, and hoping the judiciary behaves independently. However, considering SCOTUS has largely decided POTUS is largely immune from most anything, I don't see why he can't just ignore the courts when the time comes...
- jjulius 2y ago
  What does that say for the rest of us? If the leader of the free world has decided laws don't matter, then as far as I'm concerned that applies to the rest of us, rendering it "legal" to remove him via whatever means we as polite society choose fit. At least, my hope is that they don't push the limits with ignoring laws because they're afraid that would happen...
  - duxup 2y ago
    >What does that say for the rest of us? Gotta do what you can where you are. Even as someone in the US I've disliked how passive other free countries have been...
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Is there anything we can do? Keep durable notes and share them with your electeds. Particularly at the state level. These kids won’t be prosecuted immediately, possibly never federally. But their actions will need to be systematically undone at the federal level and individually prosecuted at the state and/or local levels. This is going to be a massive bureaucratic and legal undertaking, and we’ll need record preservation to do it.
- dannyr 2y ago
  How will local/state prosecute it? The crimes are on the federal level and pretty sure they'll receive pardons.
  - f38zf5vdt 2y ago
    I think maybe the user is implying that a civil war will break out. I started reading about the original American Civil War after recent events. The lead up to that was protracted. As long as some states begin assembling militias now and unify, it's probable they will be able to mount an attack against the Federal government as happened back then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_events_leading_to_the_American_Civil_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_events_leading_to_...
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > maybe the user is implying that a civil war will break out I’m not. Short of a decapitation strike in which MAGA and Musk are taken out in a night of long knives, which would itself be more destabilising to our republic than anything they’ve done, there is little to play for a military conflict à la the Civil War in a nuclear state. If we’re going to see a civil war, it wouldn’t be states vs U.S. but some compartment of the U.S. claiming legitimate power while another denies it, e.g. the military deposing Trump or him refusing to step down after impeachment and conviction or an electoral loss.
      - f38zf5vdt 2y ago
pas 2y ago
Look for politicians (in your district and state) who are already active, pick the one who seems to be not a useless parrot (but also not someone who doesn't get the big picture), and ask them how can you help them, how can you support their efforts. The good playbook consists of rebooting the D party. (Which lost the election because it did not understand what the majority wants, and how to authentically offer something that is close enough.)
- lesuorac 2y ago
  Rebooting the D party is unnecessary. Losing only by 1.5% in an election where globally nearly every _incumbent_ lost is pretty good. In the UK, the incumbents lost 20% of their seats [1]. The democrats lost 2 seats in the senate [2] and _gained_ 2 seats in the house [3]. Making drastic changes to a party because you narrowly lost an election with a candidate that never won a primary is dumb. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_Kingdom_general_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_Kingdom_general_el... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_Senate_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_Senate_elec... [3]: (idk how it's 2 since 215-214 = 1). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_House_of_Re...
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    > Making drastic changes to a party because you narrowly lost an election with a candidate that never won a primary is dumb. That depends on who you lose to.
    - lesuorac 2y ago
      How is a candidate that didn't win a primary _narrowly_ losing to a candidate that won a primary a big deal? Like if Democrats decided to run Ron DeSantis how huge do you think Trump's lead would've been?
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
cbeach 2y ago
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- EGreg 2y ago
  In the name of “cutting costs”, they can do anything? Divert funds to whatever they want? Explain how taking down open scientific and health data sets is “improving efficiency and transparency”. I kind of liked data.gov as a step in the RIGHT direction for government transparency! Elon never mentions those things, of course. He has a direct connection to the people, bigger than FDR’s radio which helped him bypass the media, make sweeping changes to US society at the time and get elected to four times. He used to say of his opponents: “they are united in their hatred of me, and I welcome their hatred”. The next step will be marginalize all the independent press, curtailing their access and making them irrelevant with phrases like “enemies of the people” and “you are the media now”. We don’t have to go all godwin’s law about only nazis yelling “lugenpresse”. In fact, cooking up phrases to make people support unilateral decisions is the case everywhere. “Islamofascism” (didnt stick) “They hate us for our freedoms” (supported crackdowns on Muslims) “Weapons of mass destruction” (supported invasion of Iraq) “Unprovoked and Unjustified” (support war in Ukraine as unique and different than everrything that came before) “Flatten the curve” (supported lockdowns) And so on. In USA it was much milder compared to Canadan or Australia. “Vision Zero” in China was much stricter, locking down entire cities with no peep. Authoritarian governments will always come up with slogans to make it easy to support their going around checks and balances, and marginalize their in their way. Whenever you see people uncritically repeat a phrase verbatim, eg about the press, you know it’s happening. Make no mistake, “You are the media now” is such a phrase. Twitter / X is not independent media. It is owned and controlled by a small group of people, not just the algorithm that surfaces tweets to everyone, not just the retweeting by the Information Launderer in Chief, but the bots and lack of enforcement. Neither is Facebook / Meta a free platform, as Zuck admitted it also worked with the government. But at least Zuck doesn’t run an agency that gets carte blanche IN the government with our taxpayer dollars. To me the freedom of speech issue is crucial, to survive takeovers of our public discourse as a nation, so we can at least have genuine conversations about what happened and is happening, without being centrally manipulated by algorithms owned by the people in power. This is why I believed so strongly for 10 years that we need a viable free open source alternative to Facebook and Twitter, and worked on it for 12 years, even braving ridicule from some HN denizens :) I am getting ready to release it in a big way. (Obviously not just here.) See links to news articles in the README here if you want to understand what I think is the solution: https://github.com/Qbix/Platform https://github.com/Qbix/Platform Qbix aims to do with Web 2.0 what the HTTP protocol and Web Browser / Server did with Web 1.0 (getting people off of AOL, MSN, etc.) And this may trigger some people, but I am saying that Qbix wants to do for Free Speech vs Big Tech in Web 2.0 what Bitcoin was going to do for money vs the Big Banks in Web 3.0 . Make a platform that is decentralized, isnt owned by people who end up working closely with government to push policies down the public’s throat. (The very policies DOGE cites to justify its own sweeping mandate.) If anyone wants to get involved with building Qbix, email me or get in touch.
Propelloni 2y ago
There are already groups organizing protests across the land. Join one in your area. Or just show up when a demonstration is happening near you. Numbers are important.
- deleted 2y ago
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countelthrow 2y ago
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- cbeach 2y ago
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_Algernon_ 2y ago
Isn't this what you guys have the second amendment for? To secure a free state?
- deleted 2y ago
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- ceejayoz 2y ago
  https://theshovel.com.au/2020/06/04/nra-accidentally-forgets-to-rise-up-against-tyrannical-government/ https://theshovel.com.au/2020/06/04/nra-accidentally-forgets...
- lupusreal 2y ago
  There's a word for people who start shooting when they don't like the outcome of an election: insurrectionists.
  - lavezzi 2y ago
    I know you were trying to be smart here, but this isn't about debating the outcome of the election, that transition was already handled in a peaceful manner.
    - lupusreal 2y ago
      So what is he saying the second ammendment is for?
- slt2021 2y ago
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  - dialup_sounds 2y ago
    You're confusing FEMA's $20 billion disaster relief appropriation and the completely separate $650 funding for the Customs & Border Patrol's Shelter and Services Program.

by tyleo 2y ago

Is there anything we can do? I don’t mean to ask that and imply that there is nothing. I mean it as an honest question. Is there a process or organization to snap into right now to help?

croes 2y ago

Congress, lol

jjulius 2y ago
That. Or pitchforks. Or holes outside of towns[1]. [1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42318504 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42318504
- croes 2y ago
  From 2020 but still fitting https://theshovel.com.au/2020/06/04/nra-accidentally-forgets-to-rise-up-against-tyrannical-government/ https://theshovel.com.au/2020/06/04/nra-accidentally-forgets...

duxup 2y ago

Vote when the time comes, and hoping the judiciary behaves independently. However, considering SCOTUS has largely decided POTUS is largely immune from most anything, I don't see why he can't just ignore the courts when the time comes...

jjulius 2y ago
What does that say for the rest of us? If the leader of the free world has decided laws don't matter, then as far as I'm concerned that applies to the rest of us, rendering it "legal" to remove him via whatever means we as polite society choose fit. At least, my hope is that they don't push the limits with ignoring laws because they're afraid that would happen...
- duxup 2y ago
  >What does that say for the rest of us? Gotta do what you can where you are. Even as someone in the US I've disliked how passive other free countries have been...

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> Is there anything we can do? Keep durable notes and share them with your electeds. Particularly at the state level. These kids won’t be prosecuted immediately, possibly never federally. But their actions will need to be systematically undone at the federal level and individually prosecuted at the state and/or local levels. This is going to be a massive bureaucratic and legal undertaking, and we’ll need record preservation to do it.

dannyr 2y ago
How will local/state prosecute it? The crimes are on the federal level and pretty sure they'll receive pardons.
- f38zf5vdt 2y ago
  I think maybe the user is implying that a civil war will break out. I started reading about the original American Civil War after recent events. The lead up to that was protracted. As long as some states begin assembling militias now and unify, it's probable they will be able to mount an attack against the Federal government as happened back then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_events_leading_to_the_American_Civil_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_events_leading_to_...
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > maybe the user is implying that a civil war will break out I’m not. Short of a decapitation strike in which MAGA and Musk are taken out in a night of long knives, which would itself be more destabilising to our republic than anything they’ve done, there is little to play for a military conflict à la the Civil War in a nuclear state. If we’re going to see a civil war, it wouldn’t be states vs U.S. but some compartment of the U.S. claiming legitimate power while another denies it, e.g. the military deposing Trump or him refusing to step down after impeachment and conviction or an electoral loss.
    - f38zf5vdt 2y ago

pas 2y ago

Look for politicians (in your district and state) who are already active, pick the one who seems to be not a useless parrot (but also not someone who doesn't get the big picture), and ask them how can you help them, how can you support their efforts. The good playbook consists of rebooting the D party. (Which lost the election because it did not understand what the majority wants, and how to authentically offer something that is close enough.)

lesuorac 2y ago
Rebooting the D party is unnecessary. Losing only by 1.5% in an election where globally nearly every _incumbent_ lost is pretty good. In the UK, the incumbents lost 20% of their seats [1]. The democrats lost 2 seats in the senate [2] and _gained_ 2 seats in the house [3]. Making drastic changes to a party because you narrowly lost an election with a candidate that never won a primary is dumb. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_Kingdom_general_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_Kingdom_general_el... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_Senate_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_Senate_elec... [3]: (idk how it's 2 since 215-214 = 1). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_House_of_Re...
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  > Making drastic changes to a party because you narrowly lost an election with a candidate that never won a primary is dumb. That depends on who you lose to.
  - lesuorac 2y ago
    How is a candidate that didn't win a primary _narrowly_ losing to a candidate that won a primary a big deal? Like if Democrats decided to run Ron DeSantis how huge do you think Trump's lead would've been?
    - ceejayoz 2y ago

cbeach 2y ago

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EGreg 2y ago
In the name of “cutting costs”, they can do anything? Divert funds to whatever they want? Explain how taking down open scientific and health data sets is “improving efficiency and transparency”. I kind of liked data.gov as a step in the RIGHT direction for government transparency! Elon never mentions those things, of course. He has a direct connection to the people, bigger than FDR’s radio which helped him bypass the media, make sweeping changes to US society at the time and get elected to four times. He used to say of his opponents: “they are united in their hatred of me, and I welcome their hatred”. The next step will be marginalize all the independent press, curtailing their access and making them irrelevant with phrases like “enemies of the people” and “you are the media now”. We don’t have to go all godwin’s law about only nazis yelling “lugenpresse”. In fact, cooking up phrases to make people support unilateral decisions is the case everywhere. “Islamofascism” (didnt stick) “They hate us for our freedoms” (supported crackdowns on Muslims) “Weapons of mass destruction” (supported invasion of Iraq) “Unprovoked and Unjustified” (support war in Ukraine as unique and different than everrything that came before) “Flatten the curve” (supported lockdowns) And so on. In USA it was much milder compared to Canadan or Australia. “Vision Zero” in China was much stricter, locking down entire cities with no peep. Authoritarian governments will always come up with slogans to make it easy to support their going around checks and balances, and marginalize their in their way. Whenever you see people uncritically repeat a phrase verbatim, eg about the press, you know it’s happening. Make no mistake, “You are the media now” is such a phrase. Twitter / X is not independent media. It is owned and controlled by a small group of people, not just the algorithm that surfaces tweets to everyone, not just the retweeting by the Information Launderer in Chief, but the bots and lack of enforcement. Neither is Facebook / Meta a free platform, as Zuck admitted it also worked with the government. But at least Zuck doesn’t run an agency that gets carte blanche IN the government with our taxpayer dollars. To me the freedom of speech issue is crucial, to survive takeovers of our public discourse as a nation, so we can at least have genuine conversations about what happened and is happening, without being centrally manipulated by algorithms owned by the people in power. This is why I believed so strongly for 10 years that we need a viable free open source alternative to Facebook and Twitter, and worked on it for 12 years, even braving ridicule from some HN denizens :) I am getting ready to release it in a big way. (Obviously not just here.) See links to news articles in the README here if you want to understand what I think is the solution: https://github.com/Qbix/Platform https://github.com/Qbix/Platform Qbix aims to do with Web 2.0 what the HTTP protocol and Web Browser / Server did with Web 1.0 (getting people off of AOL, MSN, etc.) And this may trigger some people, but I am saying that Qbix wants to do for Free Speech vs Big Tech in Web 2.0 what Bitcoin was going to do for money vs the Big Banks in Web 3.0 . Make a platform that is decentralized, isnt owned by people who end up working closely with government to push policies down the public’s throat. (The very policies DOGE cites to justify its own sweeping mandate.) If anyone wants to get involved with building Qbix, email me or get in touch.

Propelloni 2y ago

There are already groups organizing protests across the land. Join one in your area. Or just show up when a demonstration is happening near you. Numbers are important.

deleted 2y ago
[deleted]

countelthrow 2y ago

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cbeach 2y ago
[flagged]

_Algernon_ 2y ago

Isn't this what you guys have the second amendment for? To secure a free state?

deleted 2y ago
[deleted]
ceejayoz 2y ago
https://theshovel.com.au/2020/06/04/nra-accidentally-forgets-to-rise-up-against-tyrannical-government/ https://theshovel.com.au/2020/06/04/nra-accidentally-forgets...
lupusreal 2y ago
There's a word for people who start shooting when they don't like the outcome of an election: insurrectionists.
- lavezzi 2y ago
  I know you were trying to be smart here, but this isn't about debating the outcome of the election, that transition was already handled in a peaceful manner.
  - lupusreal 2y ago
    So what is he saying the second ammendment is for?
slt2021 2y ago
[flagged]
- dialup_sounds 2y ago
  You're confusing FEMA's $20 billion disaster relief appropriation and the completely separate $650 funding for the Customs & Border Patrol's Shelter and Services Program.