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My dad was a civil servant retired as a GS13. A GS13 would report directly to a division head. Think vice president at a fair sized company. You can see the pa

My dad was a civil servant retired as a GS13. A GS13 would report directly to a division head. Think vice president at a fair sized company. You can see the pay scale for the San Francisco Bay Area here. https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/salaries-wages/salary-tables/pdf/2025/SF.pdf https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/salaries... Ideological nutters are completely ignorant or delusional about how much government workers get paid. Perversely if you wanted to save tax money you'd hire more government workers and issue fewer contracts to glorious free market private enterprise. They're cheaper and upper level managers are vastly cheaper.

thunky 2y ago
> Ideological nutters are completely ignorant or delusional about how much government workers get paid. How much did the government pay your dad after he retired? Guaranteed lifetime income is a big reason govt pay is lower, and should be included in the calculation.
- Gibbon1 2y ago
  The Feds pay about 23% of an employees salary into the Federal retirement system And the employee contributes a couple more. Which is part of the reason Federal employees are paid less. If one is wise in the ways of economics one understands that employees pay for their retirement no matter how it's set up.
  - thunky 2y ago
    What I'm saying is that in order to do a fair comparision, you should include the total amount of (inflation adjusted) income your father got from the govt for his job, not just the yearly income recieved during working years. To illustrate, it would cost about a million dollars today to buy 20 years worth of $60k/year income (inflation adjusted). And that's using TIPS which have favorable rates right now. 5 years ago it probably would have cost more than double that. Sure, someone could fund that themselves, but then they'd need to make more while they're working to stash that away on their own. Which is why you need to look at total income.

thunky 2y ago

> Ideological nutters are completely ignorant or delusional about how much government workers get paid. How much did the government pay your dad after he retired? Guaranteed lifetime income is a big reason govt pay is lower, and should be included in the calculation.

Gibbon1 2y ago
The Feds pay about 23% of an employees salary into the Federal retirement system And the employee contributes a couple more. Which is part of the reason Federal employees are paid less. If one is wise in the ways of economics one understands that employees pay for their retirement no matter how it's set up.
- thunky 2y ago
  What I'm saying is that in order to do a fair comparision, you should include the total amount of (inflation adjusted) income your father got from the govt for his job, not just the yearly income recieved during working years. To illustrate, it would cost about a million dollars today to buy 20 years worth of $60k/year income (inflation adjusted). And that's using TIPS which have favorable rates right now. 5 years ago it probably would have cost more than double that. Sure, someone could fund that themselves, but then they'd need to make more while they're working to stash that away on their own. Which is why you need to look at total income.