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What also happened in the same time frame according to this website: - [1] 1366 x 768 was the strongest growing monitor resolution - [2] Dual- and Quad cor

by Sweepi 2y ago

What also happened in the same time frame according to this website: - [1] 1366 x 768 was the strongest growing monitor resolution - [2] Dual- and Quad core CPUs went up, 6-16 Cores are down - [3] 4 GB and 8 GB of RAM went up, 16/32 GB fell So it comes down to: More old (ancient?) machines in the Dataset. Why? Unknown, but probably not indicating a trend regarding the hardware people use in the real World (TM) has changed. [1] https://www.pcbenchmarks.net/displays.html https://www.pcbenchmarks.net/displays.html [2] https://www.pcbenchmarks.net/number-of-cpu-cores.html https://www.pcbenchmarks.net/number-of-cpu-cores.html [3] https://www.memorybenchmark.net/amount-of-ram-installed.html https://www.memorybenchmark.net/amount-of-ram-installed.html [from 3dcenter.org : https://www.3dcenter.org/news/news-des-12-februar-2025-0 https://www.3dcenter.org/news/news-des-12-februar-2025-0 [German]]

londons_explore 2y ago
I feel like it could simply be that some big PC recycler, perhaps in a poorer nation reselling Windows Vista machines for $15 a pop, has decided to run this benchmark as part of their recycling process and it has skewed all the results.
- silvestrov 2y ago
  For me it sounds more like cheap ChromeBooks because that is enough for most people's need. Very little in education needs more computing power than that. We've just told ourselves that computing power will always grow and that we will always need that growth. That might not be be true and computers might be like cars: we don't need (want) faster cars, we want cheaper and safer cars. Top speed no longer sells.
  - elif 2y ago
    Ehhh Having tried to install a modern Linux on a 2012 laptop, it simply is not as cozy as your memory records it. For reference even Linux designed for old hardware takes about 6 minutes to boot and even just using the console lags
    - josephg 2y ago
      That’s wild and disheartening. Those machines ran great at the time. I had a 2011 MacBook Air which I adored - it was fast, small and for the day, it had great battery life. There is no reason for computers to get slower over time. Especially on linux.
      - cl3misch 2y ago
        The computers don't get slower, and light Linux distros should still work fine. But what matters is the software you're using, and that will be modern software (mostly). Modern browsers visiting JS-heavy websites, or a heavier office suite than 15 years ago. And if this is the context, then computers must get slower over time, right?
      - elif 2y ago
        Bodhi Linux is the one I used on a Celeron based system. The distro is purpose built for retro hardware. I wish I could explain what is going on but it is physically painful to use, like you are remote desktoping over an iridium satellite
        elif 2y ago
        Technically the chipset was released in 2008 but I believe this is a 2012 laptop (*)
      - echelon_musk 2y ago
        > There is no reason for computers to get slower over time. Especially on linux. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth's_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth's_law
    - cztomsik 2y ago
      I suspect those so-called, "zero-cost abstractions".
    - goosedragons 2y ago
      On what laptop and what distro? Does that PC lack an SSD? I have Ubuntu on a Thinkpad W520 and it does not take anywhere close to 6 minutes to boot, nor does the console lag but it also has an SSD installed.
  - jayd16 2y ago
    Explain the desktop and server numbers.
  - echoangle 2y ago
    Are they currently selling new Chromebooks with 1366 x 768 screens?
    - MadnessASAP 2y ago
      Yes
    - nfriedly 2y ago
      Almost half the Chromebooks on newegg have that resolution: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=chromebook&Order=8&Submit=ENE&pageTitle=chromebook&N=100+600004416 https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=chromebook&Order=8&Submit=ENE&...
      - londons_explore 2y ago
        It helps that the web scales well Screen resolution on windows/Mac is important because scaling support is so bad that a low resolution is barely usable when all the icons end up huge. On the web, which scales well, it really is just a matter of blurryness. Plenty of people can live with a slightly blurry screen to save $50.
    - kube-system 2y ago
      They're pretty common at low price points. Good displays are expensive, it's an easy thing to cheap out on to lower cost.
    - resoluteteeth 2y ago
      As of maybe a year ago, I think essentially all new models are at least 1080p, except maybe that lenovo is still technically making/updating one older model with a 1366 x 768 specifically for the educational market. However, 1366 x 768 screens were very common in cheaper chromebooks until 1-2 years ago, and most retailers are still selling new old stock of older models with 1366 x 768 screens and n4020 cpus. (Now a lot of the really cheap models have 1080p screens and n100 or similar cpus which is a massive improvement.)
- babypuncher 2y ago
  It has to be something like this. I could believe slower machines growing in market share during high inflation, but nobody's making new laptops or monitors with 1366 x 768 panels.
- iforgot22 2y ago
  Apparently Windows XP is the dominant desktop OS in Armenia. They were savvy enough not to go to Vista I guess. (Not that the country is anywhere near large enough to skew global benchmarks.)
DiscourseFan 2y ago
As other commenter said, prob has more to do with growth of computing in the developing world. Very little labor now that can't be done by someone living in a country where breakfast costs less than 25 cents. I mean, theoretically at least. Most of those people probably aren't learning from professors who spend their whole day teaching and doing research, and that kind of activity can only be supported by a relatively wealthy society. But, the internet has also democratized a lot of that activity. Well, its complicated either way.
- keyringlight 2y ago
  It seems like a similar challenge as looking at the steam hardware survey stats, it's probably the best public source of information but it's too much of an overview to make anything but the most general conclusions from it. Within that data there's going to be millions of different stories if you could divide it up a bit - what are common combinations of hardware, what are common combinations in different age ranges, what is used for playing games of different ages, what's common in different locations in the world. Valve could possibly tie hardware to software purchasing activity as well what is played.
- taneq 2y ago
  > Most of those people probably aren't learning from professors who spend their whole day teaching and doing research, and that kind of activity can only be supported by a relatively wealthy society. Nope, as your next sentence says, they're learning off forums, Stack Overflow, YouTube and ChatGPT like the rest of us. :P
JansjoFromIkea 2y ago
Possibly a shift from bulkier older laptops to tablet hybrids? 1366 x 768 definitely sounds like it's just an increase in older machines though.
starkparker 2y ago
1366x768 laptops I can find in 10 minutes of searching, all being sold as new, running from $150 to $900 HP 15-fd0023dx ($280, 12th-gen i3, Win 11 S, 8 GB RAM, 15.6" touchscreen) HP 15-fc0025dx ($580, Ryzen 5 7520U, Win 11 S, 8 GB RAM, 15.6" touchscreen) HP 15-fd0067nr, 15-fd0077nr ($510–$900, 13th-gen i5 or i7, Win 11 Home or Pro, 8 GB RAM, 15.6" non-touch) HP 14-DQ0052DX Stream 14 ($230–$280, N4120, Win 11 Home or Pro, 4 or 8 GB RAM, 14" non-touch) Lenovo IdeaPad 3 ($350, 11th-gen i3, Win 11 Home, 8 GB RAM, 15.6" touchscreen) ASUS Chromebook CM14 ($155–$280, MediaTek Kompanio 520, 4 GB RAM, ChromeOS, 14" non-touch)
- Sweepi 2y ago
  "12th-gen i3" is longer then "i3-1215U" or "1215U", but removes all important Information[1]. Why do you (and people in general) do this? I dont get it. [1] a search engine will give you the intel ark page if you search for "1215U" which tells you thats a 2P+4E 15W Alder Lake CPU, however "12th-gen i3" could be a 4P+0E, but also a 2P+8E or a 4P+4E, and anything between 9W and 60W Basepower.
Isamu 2y ago
As a developer I have not felt the need to buy a performance machine anymore, everything happens on remote machines and build farms.

by Sweepi 2y ago

londons_explore 2y ago

I feel like it could simply be that some big PC recycler, perhaps in a poorer nation reselling Windows Vista machines for $15 a pop, has decided to run this benchmark as part of their recycling process and it has skewed all the results.

silvestrov 2y ago
For me it sounds more like cheap ChromeBooks because that is enough for most people's need. Very little in education needs more computing power than that. We've just told ourselves that computing power will always grow and that we will always need that growth. That might not be be true and computers might be like cars: we don't need (want) faster cars, we want cheaper and safer cars. Top speed no longer sells.
- elif 2y ago
  Ehhh Having tried to install a modern Linux on a 2012 laptop, it simply is not as cozy as your memory records it. For reference even Linux designed for old hardware takes about 6 minutes to boot and even just using the console lags
  - josephg 2y ago
    That’s wild and disheartening. Those machines ran great at the time. I had a 2011 MacBook Air which I adored - it was fast, small and for the day, it had great battery life. There is no reason for computers to get slower over time. Especially on linux.
    - cl3misch 2y ago
      The computers don't get slower, and light Linux distros should still work fine. But what matters is the software you're using, and that will be modern software (mostly). Modern browsers visiting JS-heavy websites, or a heavier office suite than 15 years ago. And if this is the context, then computers must get slower over time, right?
    - elif 2y ago
      Bodhi Linux is the one I used on a Celeron based system. The distro is purpose built for retro hardware. I wish I could explain what is going on but it is physically painful to use, like you are remote desktoping over an iridium satellite
      - elif 2y ago
        Technically the chipset was released in 2008 but I believe this is a 2012 laptop (*)
    - echelon_musk 2y ago
      > There is no reason for computers to get slower over time. Especially on linux. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth's_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth's_law
  - cztomsik 2y ago
    I suspect those so-called, "zero-cost abstractions".
  - goosedragons 2y ago
    On what laptop and what distro? Does that PC lack an SSD? I have Ubuntu on a Thinkpad W520 and it does not take anywhere close to 6 minutes to boot, nor does the console lag but it also has an SSD installed.
- jayd16 2y ago
  Explain the desktop and server numbers.
- echoangle 2y ago
  Are they currently selling new Chromebooks with 1366 x 768 screens?
  - MadnessASAP 2y ago
    Yes
  - nfriedly 2y ago
    Almost half the Chromebooks on newegg have that resolution: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=chromebook&Order=8&Submit=ENE&pageTitle=chromebook&N=100+600004416 https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=chromebook&Order=8&Submit=ENE&...
    - londons_explore 2y ago
      It helps that the web scales well Screen resolution on windows/Mac is important because scaling support is so bad that a low resolution is barely usable when all the icons end up huge. On the web, which scales well, it really is just a matter of blurryness. Plenty of people can live with a slightly blurry screen to save $50.
  - kube-system 2y ago
    They're pretty common at low price points. Good displays are expensive, it's an easy thing to cheap out on to lower cost.
  - resoluteteeth 2y ago
    As of maybe a year ago, I think essentially all new models are at least 1080p, except maybe that lenovo is still technically making/updating one older model with a 1366 x 768 specifically for the educational market. However, 1366 x 768 screens were very common in cheaper chromebooks until 1-2 years ago, and most retailers are still selling new old stock of older models with 1366 x 768 screens and n4020 cpus. (Now a lot of the really cheap models have 1080p screens and n100 or similar cpus which is a massive improvement.)
babypuncher 2y ago
It has to be something like this. I could believe slower machines growing in market share during high inflation, but nobody's making new laptops or monitors with 1366 x 768 panels.
iforgot22 2y ago
Apparently Windows XP is the dominant desktop OS in Armenia. They were savvy enough not to go to Vista I guess. (Not that the country is anywhere near large enough to skew global benchmarks.)

DiscourseFan 2y ago

As other commenter said, prob has more to do with growth of computing in the developing world. Very little labor now that can't be done by someone living in a country where breakfast costs less than 25 cents. I mean, theoretically at least. Most of those people probably aren't learning from professors who spend their whole day teaching and doing research, and that kind of activity can only be supported by a relatively wealthy society. But, the internet has also democratized a lot of that activity. Well, its complicated either way.

keyringlight 2y ago
It seems like a similar challenge as looking at the steam hardware survey stats, it's probably the best public source of information but it's too much of an overview to make anything but the most general conclusions from it. Within that data there's going to be millions of different stories if you could divide it up a bit - what are common combinations of hardware, what are common combinations in different age ranges, what is used for playing games of different ages, what's common in different locations in the world. Valve could possibly tie hardware to software purchasing activity as well what is played.
taneq 2y ago
> Most of those people probably aren't learning from professors who spend their whole day teaching and doing research, and that kind of activity can only be supported by a relatively wealthy society. Nope, as your next sentence says, they're learning off forums, Stack Overflow, YouTube and ChatGPT like the rest of us. :P

JansjoFromIkea 2y ago

Possibly a shift from bulkier older laptops to tablet hybrids? 1366 x 768 definitely sounds like it's just an increase in older machines though.

starkparker 2y ago

1366x768 laptops I can find in 10 minutes of searching, all being sold as new, running from $150 to $900 HP 15-fd0023dx ($280, 12th-gen i3, Win 11 S, 8 GB RAM, 15.6" touchscreen) HP 15-fc0025dx ($580, Ryzen 5 7520U, Win 11 S, 8 GB RAM, 15.6" touchscreen) HP 15-fd0067nr, 15-fd0077nr ($510–$900, 13th-gen i5 or i7, Win 11 Home or Pro, 8 GB RAM, 15.6" non-touch) HP 14-DQ0052DX Stream 14 ($230–$280, N4120, Win 11 Home or Pro, 4 or 8 GB RAM, 14" non-touch) Lenovo IdeaPad 3 ($350, 11th-gen i3, Win 11 Home, 8 GB RAM, 15.6" touchscreen) ASUS Chromebook CM14 ($155–$280, MediaTek Kompanio 520, 4 GB RAM, ChromeOS, 14" non-touch)

Sweepi 2y ago
"12th-gen i3" is longer then "i3-1215U" or "1215U", but removes all important Information[1]. Why do you (and people in general) do this? I dont get it. [1] a search engine will give you the intel ark page if you search for "1215U" which tells you thats a 2P+4E 15W Alder Lake CPU, however "12th-gen i3" could be a 4P+0E, but also a 2P+8E or a 4P+4E, and anything between 9W and 60W Basepower.

Isamu 2y ago

As a developer I have not felt the need to buy a performance machine anymore, everything happens on remote machines and build farms.