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Had a talk with a pretty dyed in the wool MAGA supporter about the birthright citizenship situation. I was like you can’t just knock down a constitutional amen

Had a talk with a pretty dyed in the wool MAGA supporter about the birthright citizenship situation. I was like you can’t just knock down a constitutional amendment with an executive order, even if you do agree with it. He was incredulous. The president has that authority and the courts can’t stop him. I was like ok, by that logic, a Dem president could sign away free speech and the second amendment the same way. Still don’t think he could reconcile my point.

vishnugupta 2y ago
> ..dyed in the wool.. Is consistent with > .. don’t think he could reconcile my point. I mean why would expect someone like that to consider a counter argument?
- caspper69 2y ago
  Well, he’s an associate and we’ve always been on good terms, diverging politics notwithstanding (I lean more dead center with a healthy distaste for authority and as I said, he’s MAGA), and he knows exactly why I don’t like DJT (I see right through him, because I’ve watched people exactly like him my whole life). Having grown up adjacent to, but not part of, the elite, his type is not uncommon. The ones that had family money, but never actually put any effort in to learn anything or do anything on their own. Or worse, pretending that they were doing big things by talking loudly and showing off, but actually failing at everything they did try. It’s not uncommon. Plus having worked in gaming, I would be downright ashamed if I went bankrupt not just once, but twice running a casino. That’s like an easy-mode business. I mean, come on. Anyway, I know deep down he got it. But it’s always that moment of realization that I find satisfying. I did it to eff with his head. It’s that moment when the cognitive dissonance pulls apart and the lucid thought makes a connection, but before the dissonance sets back in. It’s like watching someone melt for a split second. Yes, I’m an ass.
  - vishnugupta 2y ago
    I think I somewhat understand what you mean. I used to either debate or argue with such folks. But over the years I’ve realized it’s not a useful exercise. Funnily some of them toned down their hard stance and began to see for themselves how the system works and what’s going on.

vishnugupta 2y ago

> ..dyed in the wool.. Is consistent with > .. don’t think he could reconcile my point. I mean why would expect someone like that to consider a counter argument?

caspper69 2y ago
Well, he’s an associate and we’ve always been on good terms, diverging politics notwithstanding (I lean more dead center with a healthy distaste for authority and as I said, he’s MAGA), and he knows exactly why I don’t like DJT (I see right through him, because I’ve watched people exactly like him my whole life). Having grown up adjacent to, but not part of, the elite, his type is not uncommon. The ones that had family money, but never actually put any effort in to learn anything or do anything on their own. Or worse, pretending that they were doing big things by talking loudly and showing off, but actually failing at everything they did try. It’s not uncommon. Plus having worked in gaming, I would be downright ashamed if I went bankrupt not just once, but twice running a casino. That’s like an easy-mode business. I mean, come on. Anyway, I know deep down he got it. But it’s always that moment of realization that I find satisfying. I did it to eff with his head. It’s that moment when the cognitive dissonance pulls apart and the lucid thought makes a connection, but before the dissonance sets back in. It’s like watching someone melt for a split second. Yes, I’m an ass.
- vishnugupta 2y ago
  I think I somewhat understand what you mean. I used to either debate or argue with such folks. But over the years I’ve realized it’s not a useful exercise. Funnily some of them toned down their hard stance and began to see for themselves how the system works and what’s going on.