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Chrome is not there to serve you. It is to serve Google.

by 28304283409234 2y ago

nomendos 2y ago
So we should be using other browsers (Brave, LibreWolf, Vivaldi, Firefox, even Opera might be better overall)
- theshrike79 2y ago
  Of those, afaik Firefox is the only one not based on Chromium. "But but Brave..." Yea they have their own crap on top, but it's still the Chromium rendering engine.
Sabinus 2y ago
I have said it before and I will say it again, it makes zero sense to browse the internet with a piece of software written by an advertising company.
- caspper69 2y ago
  To think, they have advocated over the years to keep adding to the specs to the point that they’ve become so complex that even Microsoft, the king of this rube goldberg type shit, threw in the towel and said eff it, we’ll just use Chromium. We should write an app browser with sensible layout and a qemu virtual machine backend. Pay the 5% hit to run actually performant native code that’s 100% sandboxed. Couldn’t be any worse, that’s for sure.
  - avgd 2y ago
    > so complex that even Microsoft, the king of this rube goldberg type shit, threw in the towel and said eff it, we’ll just use Chromium I believe the core reason to be different: Microsoft lost the will to compete. You can say any number of negative things about Steve Ballmer, but at least the guy tried. He tried. He may fail, but he would try, again and again, no matter how many time he would experience losses. When he got replaced by a bean counter Microsoft stopped trying. It isn't just browser engines they've abandoned. There is no Windows Phone anymore. Windows 11 is worse on tablets than 10. Closing down their Apple Music competitor (Groove) etc. Recently, they've been arguing for less exclusivity on gaming consoles and releasing their games on Playstation. If we anthropomorphized corporations, modern Microsoft is the thin skinned loser who will fold at the slightest provocation.
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      Why should Microsoft care about making its own engine? Apple does it because it needs to optimize a browser for its platforms where if makes all of its money. Google does it for ad revenue and to make sure its web apps run well. What’s Microsoft’s motivation? There is no world no matter how much money Microsoft spent that it was going to out Apple Apple when it came to selling phones or convince manufactures to use Windows Mobile instead of Android with a lot larger third party app ecosystem. Windows is not irrelevant. But it’s not where the growth is. Neither is selling phones really. Both of those markets are saturated. What benefit is their of Microsoft focusing on its own engine instead of using Chromium? Tablets were overhyped. Even Apple realize that and publicly admitted more or less they took their eye off the ball and came back and started refocusing on the Mac in 2018. Google has basically abandoned any tablets and is focusing on ChromeOS. The entire business model of selling subscription music and giving the label 70% of revenue is horrible. Spotify isn’t exactly a raging success. Apple Music exists as an ecosystem play to work well with their other devices as was iTunes before for selling iPods. Do you remember the disaster of the Plays4Sure platform and then the Zune? Microsoft was right to focus on selling O365 everywhere and Azure.
      - avgd 2y ago
        Are you seriously asking why Microsoft, the company that has experienced what it means to have power over others (anti competitive practices of the 90s on Windows that led to the United States v. Microsoft Corp. case), should not let Google have total control over what the web should be? should not let Google and Apple be the sole deciders of what should be in the appstore of the most used computing device of the planet? > Apple Music exists as an ecosystem play And so? Are you implying MS doesn't need an ecosystem of their own? MS has. stopped. competing. That's it. That's all. Azure is not a moat, it's highly profitable but it also highly prone for disruption. Office is all they have left. Man, they don't even need to have as much marketshare as Apple for their presence to be meaningful in the mobile market. They just need enough to be sustainable on their own and keep the competitors "honest". The more MS transitions to cloud stuff and browser based apps the more they become Google's sharecroppers. It is NOT a good thing for markets to consolidate as much as they have over the past decades.
- ajkjk 2y ago
  okay there are some reasons ...
- GrumpyNl 2y ago
  I use it because most of my clients use it. Chrome still has a market share of 66%.

Chrome is not there to serve you. It is to serve Google.

nomendos 2y ago

So we should be using other browsers (Brave, LibreWolf, Vivaldi, Firefox, even Opera might be better overall)

theshrike79 2y ago
Of those, afaik Firefox is the only one not based on Chromium. "But but Brave..." Yea they have their own crap on top, but it's still the Chromium rendering engine.

Sabinus 2y ago

I have said it before and I will say it again, it makes zero sense to browse the internet with a piece of software written by an advertising company.

caspper69 2y ago
To think, they have advocated over the years to keep adding to the specs to the point that they’ve become so complex that even Microsoft, the king of this rube goldberg type shit, threw in the towel and said eff it, we’ll just use Chromium. We should write an app browser with sensible layout and a qemu virtual machine backend. Pay the 5% hit to run actually performant native code that’s 100% sandboxed. Couldn’t be any worse, that’s for sure.
- avgd 2y ago
  > so complex that even Microsoft, the king of this rube goldberg type shit, threw in the towel and said eff it, we’ll just use Chromium I believe the core reason to be different: Microsoft lost the will to compete. You can say any number of negative things about Steve Ballmer, but at least the guy tried. He tried. He may fail, but he would try, again and again, no matter how many time he would experience losses. When he got replaced by a bean counter Microsoft stopped trying. It isn't just browser engines they've abandoned. There is no Windows Phone anymore. Windows 11 is worse on tablets than 10. Closing down their Apple Music competitor (Groove) etc. Recently, they've been arguing for less exclusivity on gaming consoles and releasing their games on Playstation. If we anthropomorphized corporations, modern Microsoft is the thin skinned loser who will fold at the slightest provocation.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    Why should Microsoft care about making its own engine? Apple does it because it needs to optimize a browser for its platforms where if makes all of its money. Google does it for ad revenue and to make sure its web apps run well. What’s Microsoft’s motivation? There is no world no matter how much money Microsoft spent that it was going to out Apple Apple when it came to selling phones or convince manufactures to use Windows Mobile instead of Android with a lot larger third party app ecosystem. Windows is not irrelevant. But it’s not where the growth is. Neither is selling phones really. Both of those markets are saturated. What benefit is their of Microsoft focusing on its own engine instead of using Chromium? Tablets were overhyped. Even Apple realize that and publicly admitted more or less they took their eye off the ball and came back and started refocusing on the Mac in 2018. Google has basically abandoned any tablets and is focusing on ChromeOS. The entire business model of selling subscription music and giving the label 70% of revenue is horrible. Spotify isn’t exactly a raging success. Apple Music exists as an ecosystem play to work well with their other devices as was iTunes before for selling iPods. Do you remember the disaster of the Plays4Sure platform and then the Zune? Microsoft was right to focus on selling O365 everywhere and Azure.
    - avgd 2y ago
      Are you seriously asking why Microsoft, the company that has experienced what it means to have power over others (anti competitive practices of the 90s on Windows that led to the United States v. Microsoft Corp. case), should not let Google have total control over what the web should be? should not let Google and Apple be the sole deciders of what should be in the appstore of the most used computing device of the planet? > Apple Music exists as an ecosystem play And so? Are you implying MS doesn't need an ecosystem of their own? MS has. stopped. competing. That's it. That's all. Azure is not a moat, it's highly profitable but it also highly prone for disruption. Office is all they have left. Man, they don't even need to have as much marketshare as Apple for their presence to be meaningful in the mobile market. They just need enough to be sustainable on their own and keep the competitors "honest". The more MS transitions to cloud stuff and browser based apps the more they become Google's sharecroppers. It is NOT a good thing for markets to consolidate as much as they have over the past decades.
ajkjk 2y ago
okay there are some reasons ...
GrumpyNl 2y ago
I use it because most of my clients use it. Chrome still has a market share of 66%.