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There's a big opportunity to build apolitical uncensored clone of YouTube. Current alternatives lack funding and don't function well

by cft 2y ago

dewey 2y ago
How is that related to a new YouTube design?
afavour 2y ago
1. Off-topic 2. There isn't a big opportunity really. The current alternatives are reflective of that lack of opportunity.
- mikepurvis 2y ago
  I agree. The subscription model is actually pretty decent at allowing you to find stuff from the creators you care about without having a ton of algorithmic "for you" content shoved in your face. Yes, obviously YouTube does still wield enormous power over what shows up on the home page and in the "watch next" queue, but it's still overall far less invasive than the tiktok/reels/shorts model, and gives me way less cause for anxiety about the political motivations of whoever is pulling the strings on that algorithm behind the scenes.
jsheard 2y ago
Non-sequitur aside, what specifically do you want to post on YouTube that's not allowed? To me it seems like you have to go pretty far off the rails before they'll step in.
- thomasfromcdnjs 2y ago
  I'll bite; - When I search for recent news e.g. "australian medical staff jewish" (current topic), all the results are left leaning responses. I would mostly prefer to see the original video without commentary and uncut, and also would like to see more right wing responses. (A lot of issues over the years that were right leaning would just surface late night comedians mocking the right wings perspective on such issues) - Looking up medical or scientific claims that are "indisputable" e.g. climate change, covid. I was curious to see Kari Mullis speak about his claims around hiv/aids correlation but only one or two videos exist, I had to go to the alt-youtubes to find speeches and lectures he did.
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  - veridies 2y ago
    For the first example: that’s not censorship? It’s just a bad algorithm. Also, I don’t even know what “left-leaning” means in this context; the top result is from the Australian national broadcaster, and seems pretty straightforward. No one thinks nurses murdering Israelis is a good thing. For the second example: Mullis is literally insane, and you can still find his opinions on YouTube, as you yourself found. Did you try uploading those lectures you found yourself? I’ll bet money that they won’t be take down (except maybe for copyright). To be a little less charitable: this is a persecution fantasy. The right wing is not being silenced by YouTube.
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- carlosjobim 2y ago
  Major television news media have been globally banned from YouTube due to war. Free debate on covid-19 and the vaccines were suppressed and banned on YouTube. Maybe still is, I don't follow that. Those are probably the biggest censorship issues with YouTube. And more are probably to come, as the world spins around.
  - rewgs 2y ago
    Ah yes, YouTube, famously devoid of Covid-19 misinformation.
    - carlosjobim 2y ago
      Are you denying that YouTube implemented censorship for Covid-related videos? They were very open about it: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/13813322 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/13813322
  - carlosjobim 2y ago
    The down votes are kind of telling. There exists no censorship and anybody who says anything to the contrary has to be censored? If people don't like the answer, they should probably not ask the question. Now you know why everybody loves the great leader. Because they make sure that the people who don't love him shut up. I was born in a place where everybody agrees with everybody else on every issue, because if you don't agree in every detail you are shunned and shamed as a heretic or suspected enemy spy. Then you cannot have open discussion of anything except of discussing how much you hate people who don't think like you.
  - jhanschoo 2y ago
    Can you give specific links to incidents and reporting on them?
    - carlosjobim 2y ago
      The government-aligned media channel Russia Today is globally banned on YouTube. As for Covid videos, it is official YouTube policy: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/13813322 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/13813322
milesrout 2y ago
Youtube is probably the most reasonable of the social media websites now. Well it was until Twitter was fixed by Mr Musk, anyway. People have been allowed to post crazy nonsense on YouTube for many years. For a short period they censored quite heavily (2020-2023ish) but theyve backed off. It has never been as bad as Twitter or Facebook were where milquetoast 2008 Obama would have been banned ten times over.

There's a big opportunity to build apolitical uncensored clone of YouTube. Current alternatives lack funding and don't function well

by cft 2y ago

There's a big opportunity to build apolitical uncensored clone of YouTube. Current alternatives lack funding and don't function well

dewey 2y ago

How is that related to a new YouTube design?

afavour 2y ago

1. Off-topic 2. There isn't a big opportunity really. The current alternatives are reflective of that lack of opportunity.

mikepurvis 2y ago
I agree. The subscription model is actually pretty decent at allowing you to find stuff from the creators you care about without having a ton of algorithmic "for you" content shoved in your face. Yes, obviously YouTube does still wield enormous power over what shows up on the home page and in the "watch next" queue, but it's still overall far less invasive than the tiktok/reels/shorts model, and gives me way less cause for anxiety about the political motivations of whoever is pulling the strings on that algorithm behind the scenes.

jsheard 2y ago

Non-sequitur aside, what specifically do you want to post on YouTube that's not allowed? To me it seems like you have to go pretty far off the rails before they'll step in.

thomasfromcdnjs 2y ago
I'll bite; - When I search for recent news e.g. "australian medical staff jewish" (current topic), all the results are left leaning responses. I would mostly prefer to see the original video without commentary and uncut, and also would like to see more right wing responses. (A lot of issues over the years that were right leaning would just surface late night comedians mocking the right wings perspective on such issues) - Looking up medical or scientific claims that are "indisputable" e.g. climate change, covid. I was curious to see Kari Mullis speak about his claims around hiv/aids correlation but only one or two videos exist, I had to go to the alt-youtubes to find speeches and lectures he did.
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- veridies 2y ago
  For the first example: that’s not censorship? It’s just a bad algorithm. Also, I don’t even know what “left-leaning” means in this context; the top result is from the Australian national broadcaster, and seems pretty straightforward. No one thinks nurses murdering Israelis is a good thing. For the second example: Mullis is literally insane, and you can still find his opinions on YouTube, as you yourself found. Did you try uploading those lectures you found yourself? I’ll bet money that they won’t be take down (except maybe for copyright). To be a little less charitable: this is a persecution fantasy. The right wing is not being silenced by YouTube.
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carlosjobim 2y ago
Major television news media have been globally banned from YouTube due to war. Free debate on covid-19 and the vaccines were suppressed and banned on YouTube. Maybe still is, I don't follow that. Those are probably the biggest censorship issues with YouTube. And more are probably to come, as the world spins around.
- rewgs 2y ago
  Ah yes, YouTube, famously devoid of Covid-19 misinformation.
  - carlosjobim 2y ago
    Are you denying that YouTube implemented censorship for Covid-related videos? They were very open about it: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/13813322 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/13813322
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  The down votes are kind of telling. There exists no censorship and anybody who says anything to the contrary has to be censored? If people don't like the answer, they should probably not ask the question. Now you know why everybody loves the great leader. Because they make sure that the people who don't love him shut up. I was born in a place where everybody agrees with everybody else on every issue, because if you don't agree in every detail you are shunned and shamed as a heretic or suspected enemy spy. Then you cannot have open discussion of anything except of discussing how much you hate people who don't think like you.
- jhanschoo 2y ago
  Can you give specific links to incidents and reporting on them?
  - carlosjobim 2y ago
    The government-aligned media channel Russia Today is globally banned on YouTube. As for Covid videos, it is official YouTube policy: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/13813322 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/13813322

milesrout 2y ago

Youtube is probably the most reasonable of the social media websites now. Well it was until Twitter was fixed by Mr Musk, anyway. People have been allowed to post crazy nonsense on YouTube for many years. For a short period they censored quite heavily (2020-2023ish) but theyve backed off. It has never been as bad as Twitter or Facebook were where milquetoast 2008 Obama would have been banned ten times over.