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I commented with a correction. March 15, 2025 is 140 days from the IPO day. This is before the lockup periods ends and they require us to estimate our tax, base

I commented with a correction. March 15, 2025 is 140 days from the IPO day. This is before the lockup periods ends and they require us to estimate our tax, based on the fair market value of that date, with the following formula, and pay cash, otherwise the vested RSU will be canceled: Number of vested RSUs * the estimated fair market value of the stock at the settlement date * the appliable highest marginal federal, state, local income tax rate and employment tax rate. Even if no one pump up the stock price, the amount of cash needed in such a short notice, is unbearable, which will make most ex-employees to give up their shares.

danielmarkbruce 2y ago
They'll take your estimation ? Does it have to follow that formula?
- greenspam 2y ago
  If on that day, the market price is higher than my estimation, they would inform me and give me 1 day time to pay the difference. If the market price is lower, then I'll have to go through the tax return process with IRS.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
Borrow against the RSUs. If you have more than $500k, this should be trivial to privately arrange. (If less, idk. Also, not legal advice!)
- danielmarkbruce 2y ago
  yeah i was going to suggest the same... there are companies that do this, and honestly anyone with a little cash will lend you the money assuming the stock isn't a totally ridiculous thing. How are the RSUs managed? Are they in a brokerage account? You may well be able to borrow from the broker.
  - breakds 2y ago
    The shares are not in our brokerage account yet. According to the company, they need to confirm the tax payment to the company before the shares are transferred to the personal brokerage account.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > shares are not in our brokerage account yet You don’t own shares. You own a right to future shares. Borrow against that. (If you want to roll your own loan, sell a deliverable forward. Again, not legal advice!)
  - fragmede 2y ago
    And the important thing to note about those companies is that 100% of $0 is $0. X0% of a big number is still a big number, and still bigger than $0.
danielmarkbruce 2y ago
anyway, mail me at username at googles service. Some chance I have an answer
- breakds 2y ago
  Sent the email. Thank you!

danielmarkbruce 2y ago

They'll take your estimation ? Does it have to follow that formula?

greenspam 2y ago
If on that day, the market price is higher than my estimation, they would inform me and give me 1 day time to pay the difference. If the market price is lower, then I'll have to go through the tax return process with IRS.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

Borrow against the RSUs. If you have more than $500k, this should be trivial to privately arrange. (If less, idk. Also, not legal advice!)

danielmarkbruce 2y ago
yeah i was going to suggest the same... there are companies that do this, and honestly anyone with a little cash will lend you the money assuming the stock isn't a totally ridiculous thing. How are the RSUs managed? Are they in a brokerage account? You may well be able to borrow from the broker.
- breakds 2y ago
  The shares are not in our brokerage account yet. According to the company, they need to confirm the tax payment to the company before the shares are transferred to the personal brokerage account.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > shares are not in our brokerage account yet You don’t own shares. You own a right to future shares. Borrow against that. (If you want to roll your own loan, sell a deliverable forward. Again, not legal advice!)
- fragmede 2y ago
  And the important thing to note about those companies is that 100% of $0 is $0. X0% of a big number is still a big number, and still bigger than $0.

danielmarkbruce 2y ago

anyway, mail me at username at googles service. Some chance I have an answer

breakds 2y ago
Sent the email. Thank you!