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> and idiotic sycophants made him believe he was above the law and deserved even more Well in all fairness he is above the law. He walked out of Japan and is f

by sfifs 2y ago

> and idiotic sycophants made him believe he was above the law and deserved even more Well in all fairness he is above the law. He walked out of Japan and is free in his country.

vosper 2y ago
> He walked out of Japan Even better: He escaped by hiding in a music equipment box that was carried onto a private jet https://www.bbc.com/news/business-57760993 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-57760993
- chasil 2y ago
  There are two well-known documentaries about the Goshn captivity and escape from Japan. The first is from Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/81227167 https://www.netflix.com/title/81227167 The second is from Apple: https://tv.apple.com/us/show/wanted-the-escape-of-carlos-ghosn/umc.cmc.34nvp6vc5in9logmjc7hezp52 https://tv.apple.com/us/show/wanted-the-escape-of-carlos-gho... Carlos Goshn participated in the Apple documentary. IMDB is also showing this one: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt15048602/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt15048602/
- WeylandYutani 2y ago
  There was a famous Dutch philosopher who managed to piss of the government and escaped from a castle that way (minus the private jet) in the 17th century. His wife was allowed to bring him books and he used the box to escape. He went to Paris and never got extradited either.
lmm 2y ago
His prosecution was blatantly motivated (the CEO who replaced him has far bigger embezzleme^H^Hfinancial irregularities that no-one cares to charge him for). I doubt people would have been so eager to help him escape if he had actually broken the law rather than being charged for running a big company while foreign.
- mikeyouse 2y ago
  He had enriched himself to the tune of tens of millions of company dollars completely undisclosed to the firm.. he had multiple mansions, yachts, and “CEO Reserve” bank accounts that the BoD wasn’t aware of. The men who were “so eager” to help him escape were paid upwards of $1M to do so… man I’m getting tired of people justifying ludicrous amounts of graft and theft. If other people embezzle as well, send them to prison, but there’s no universe in which Ghosn is clean. And there are plenty of big companies ran by people who aren’t so morally bankrupt.
  - gottorf 2y ago
    > If other people embezzle as well, send them to prison, but there’s no universe in which Ghosn is clean. Well, selective justice is a form of injustice. I only have superficial knowledge of the Ghosn saga, but if what the GP alleges is true, then it's not fair to Ghosn that he's prosecuted for something that others get a pass. Of course, I take your point that it's entirely possible to be a bigcorp CEO without fraud and self-dealing. To scale it down, lots of people drive over the speed limit, which is against the law; but only some people get pulled over and ticketed for it. Many people also observe the speed limit. In the Ghosn analogy, suppose that Japanese drivers got a pass, but foreigners didn't. Should everyone get pulled over the instant they exceed the speed limit? Do we want to live in such a world? Is it just a matter of scale, the difference between driving a car too fast vs. stealing millions of dollars from your employer?
    - mikeyouse 2y ago
      > Should everyone get pulled over the instant they exceed the speed limit? In places with speed cameras, that is exactly what happens. There’s no better way to find an unjust law than to enforce it evenly. And scale is very important! In your analogy, many CEOs are speeding, some driving 5mph over, some 10mph, but Carlos was tripling the speed limit and then sawed through the bars of the courthouse before he saw trial. It’s insane to me that people are defending it. If you don’t want to be selectively prosecuted for massively embezzling company funds - don’t embezzle company funds.. He had secretly bought himself a 140ft yacht with stolen company funds! https://img.20mn.fr/FofgQudYQhKtDOGwCHCuRyk/1444x920_un-custom-line https://img.20mn.fr/FofgQudYQhKtDOGwCHCuRyk/1444x920_un-cust...

by sfifs 2y ago

> and idiotic sycophants made him believe he was above the law and deserved even more Well in all fairness he is above the law. He walked out of Japan and is free in his country.

vosper 2y ago

> He walked out of Japan Even better: He escaped by hiding in a music equipment box that was carried onto a private jet https://www.bbc.com/news/business-57760993 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-57760993

chasil 2y ago
There are two well-known documentaries about the Goshn captivity and escape from Japan. The first is from Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/81227167 https://www.netflix.com/title/81227167 The second is from Apple: https://tv.apple.com/us/show/wanted-the-escape-of-carlos-ghosn/umc.cmc.34nvp6vc5in9logmjc7hezp52 https://tv.apple.com/us/show/wanted-the-escape-of-carlos-gho... Carlos Goshn participated in the Apple documentary. IMDB is also showing this one: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt15048602/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt15048602/
WeylandYutani 2y ago
There was a famous Dutch philosopher who managed to piss of the government and escaped from a castle that way (minus the private jet) in the 17th century. His wife was allowed to bring him books and he used the box to escape. He went to Paris and never got extradited either.

lmm 2y ago

His prosecution was blatantly motivated (the CEO who replaced him has far bigger embezzleme^H^Hfinancial irregularities that no-one cares to charge him for). I doubt people would have been so eager to help him escape if he had actually broken the law rather than being charged for running a big company while foreign.

mikeyouse 2y ago
He had enriched himself to the tune of tens of millions of company dollars completely undisclosed to the firm.. he had multiple mansions, yachts, and “CEO Reserve” bank accounts that the BoD wasn’t aware of. The men who were “so eager” to help him escape were paid upwards of $1M to do so… man I’m getting tired of people justifying ludicrous amounts of graft and theft. If other people embezzle as well, send them to prison, but there’s no universe in which Ghosn is clean. And there are plenty of big companies ran by people who aren’t so morally bankrupt.
- gottorf 2y ago
  > If other people embezzle as well, send them to prison, but there’s no universe in which Ghosn is clean. Well, selective justice is a form of injustice. I only have superficial knowledge of the Ghosn saga, but if what the GP alleges is true, then it's not fair to Ghosn that he's prosecuted for something that others get a pass. Of course, I take your point that it's entirely possible to be a bigcorp CEO without fraud and self-dealing. To scale it down, lots of people drive over the speed limit, which is against the law; but only some people get pulled over and ticketed for it. Many people also observe the speed limit. In the Ghosn analogy, suppose that Japanese drivers got a pass, but foreigners didn't. Should everyone get pulled over the instant they exceed the speed limit? Do we want to live in such a world? Is it just a matter of scale, the difference between driving a car too fast vs. stealing millions of dollars from your employer?
  - mikeyouse 2y ago
    > Should everyone get pulled over the instant they exceed the speed limit? In places with speed cameras, that is exactly what happens. There’s no better way to find an unjust law than to enforce it evenly. And scale is very important! In your analogy, many CEOs are speeding, some driving 5mph over, some 10mph, but Carlos was tripling the speed limit and then sawed through the bars of the courthouse before he saw trial. It’s insane to me that people are defending it. If you don’t want to be selectively prosecuted for massively embezzling company funds - don’t embezzle company funds.. He had secretly bought himself a 140ft yacht with stolen company funds! https://img.20mn.fr/FofgQudYQhKtDOGwCHCuRyk/1444x920_un-custom-line https://img.20mn.fr/FofgQudYQhKtDOGwCHCuRyk/1444x920_un-cust...