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Punish them severely when detected? Nice plan. What if they aren't in your jurisdiction? Are you going to punish them severely when they're in China? North

Punish them severely when detected? Nice plan. What if they aren't in your jurisdiction? Are you going to punish them severely when they're in China? North Korea? Somalia? Good luck with that. The problem is that the information can go anywhere that has an internet connection, and the enforcement can't.

palmotea 2y ago
> Punish them severely when detected? Nice plan. What if they aren't in your jurisdiction? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Natanz_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Natanz_incident https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-targeted-secret-nuclear-weapons-research-in-iran-strikes-last-month-report/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-targeted-secret-nuclear... If were talking about technology that "could go off the rails in a catastrophic way," don't dick around.
- chasd00 2y ago
  well let's assume an airstrike is on the table, what site would you hit? AWS data centers in Virginia?
  - palmotea 2y ago
    The point wasn't literally airstrike, it was don't get hung up over "jurisdiction" when it comes to "avoiding catastrophe." There are other options. Here are a few from the Israeli example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Iranian_nuclear_scientists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Iranian_nucle..., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet, but I'm sure there are other innovative ways to answer the challenge.
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    If they are in Virginia then it is within American jurisdiction and there's no need for military involvement.
  - achierius 2y ago
    That'd be within our jurisdiction. But yes, if, say, Ireland went rogue (in a hypothetical environment where most of the international community was aligned on this stuff) and attempted a straight shot to AGI, I think it'd be reasonable to bomb their datacenters.

palmotea 2y ago

> Punish them severely when detected? Nice plan. What if they aren't in your jurisdiction? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Natanz_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Natanz_incident https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-targeted-secret-nuclear-weapons-research-in-iran-strikes-last-month-report/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-targeted-secret-nuclear... If were talking about technology that "could go off the rails in a catastrophic way," don't dick around.

chasd00 2y ago
well let's assume an airstrike is on the table, what site would you hit? AWS data centers in Virginia?
- palmotea 2y ago
  The point wasn't literally airstrike, it was don't get hung up over "jurisdiction" when it comes to "avoiding catastrophe." There are other options. Here are a few from the Israeli example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Iranian_nuclear_scientists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Iranian_nucle..., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet, but I'm sure there are other innovative ways to answer the challenge.
- wkat4242 2y ago
  If they are in Virginia then it is within American jurisdiction and there's no need for military involvement.
- achierius 2y ago
  That'd be within our jurisdiction. But yes, if, say, Ireland went rogue (in a hypothetical environment where most of the international community was aligned on this stuff) and attempted a straight shot to AGI, I think it'd be reasonable to bomb their datacenters.