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> * suppose that the UK wants to go their usual "lighter touch regulation" than the EU route to attract investment.* Not just that. A speaker in a conference I

by bostik 2y ago

> * suppose that the UK wants to go their usual "lighter touch regulation" than the EU route to attract investment.* Not just that. A speaker in a conference I attended about a month ago mentioned that UK is actively drifting away from EU's stance, particularly on the aspect of AI safety in practice. The upcoming European AI act has "machine must not make material decisions" as its cornerstone. UK are hell-bent to get AI into government functions, to ostensibly make everything more efficient. As part of that drive, the UK is aiming to allow AI to make material decisions, without human review or recourse. In a country still in the throes of the Post Office / Horizon scandal, that really takes some nerve. Those in charge in this country know fully well that "AI safety" will be in violent conflict with the above.

tim333 2y ago
I'm someone who generally sees no benefit from Brexit but I think being able to crack on with AI without EU regulation is a benefit.
- phatfish 2y ago
  It's nothing to do with the EU, or a "regulation".
  - tim333 2y ago
    dunno https://x.com/paulg/status/1887249759557009903 https://x.com/paulg/status/1887249759557009903
    - phatfish 2y ago
      Not really sure what to say to this. It's a screenshot (from the tech-bro-in-chief no less) of a ChatGPT response, no prompt included. We are discussing a current event. As an attempt at a response, the UK is not party to the "EU AI Act" or the "DMA/DSA", we left before they were passed as law in the EU. The UK has its own "Digital Markets Act", but it is not an EU regulation. The GDPR is an inherited EU regulation. The AI summit was French led, to get a global consensus on what sort of AI protections should be in place it looks like. The declaration was specific to this summit. So, nothing to do with the EU, not a regulation.
      - tim333 2y ago
        I'm not sure what to make of it either, not my area but there's this sort of thing that happens https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/07/18/meta-stops-eu-roll-out-of-ai-model-due-to-regulatory-concerns https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/07/18/meta-stops-eu-roll-...
        phatfish 2y ago
        Meta and other data mining businesses are constantly complaining about the GDPR because it limits their ability to steal personal information and they have to comply with data residency, consent and deletion regulations. They also "play dumb" and blame compliance with a regulation they want gone, or make a big deal out of compliance to turn public opinion. When there is a difference in regulation between major economies there may be an advantage to be had, but my feeling is that the GDPR (or similar) is not the main reason European tech companies are unable to compete with the US. There is no equivalent of Silicon Valley in Europe that combines talent and investors in one place. It's a hard problem to solve when Europe is made up of multiple countries and cultures, even if the EU has aligned some key things.

by bostik 2y ago

tim333 2y ago

I'm someone who generally sees no benefit from Brexit but I think being able to crack on with AI without EU regulation is a benefit.

phatfish 2y ago
It's nothing to do with the EU, or a "regulation".
- tim333 2y ago
  dunno https://x.com/paulg/status/1887249759557009903 https://x.com/paulg/status/1887249759557009903
  - phatfish 2y ago
    Not really sure what to say to this. It's a screenshot (from the tech-bro-in-chief no less) of a ChatGPT response, no prompt included. We are discussing a current event. As an attempt at a response, the UK is not party to the "EU AI Act" or the "DMA/DSA", we left before they were passed as law in the EU. The UK has its own "Digital Markets Act", but it is not an EU regulation. The GDPR is an inherited EU regulation. The AI summit was French led, to get a global consensus on what sort of AI protections should be in place it looks like. The declaration was specific to this summit. So, nothing to do with the EU, not a regulation.
    - tim333 2y ago
      I'm not sure what to make of it either, not my area but there's this sort of thing that happens https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/07/18/meta-stops-eu-roll-out-of-ai-model-due-to-regulatory-concerns https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/07/18/meta-stops-eu-roll-...
      - phatfish 2y ago
        Meta and other data mining businesses are constantly complaining about the GDPR because it limits their ability to steal personal information and they have to comply with data residency, consent and deletion regulations. They also "play dumb" and blame compliance with a regulation they want gone, or make a big deal out of compliance to turn public opinion. When there is a difference in regulation between major economies there may be an advantage to be had, but my feeling is that the GDPR (or similar) is not the main reason European tech companies are unable to compete with the US. There is no equivalent of Silicon Valley in Europe that combines talent and investors in one place. It's a hard problem to solve when Europe is made up of multiple countries and cultures, even if the EU has aligned some key things.