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Its too bad since Honda has seemed to have totally lost its luster the past decade or so. Honda was Apple to Toyota's Microsoft for a long time, now their cars

Its too bad since Honda has seemed to have totally lost its luster the past decade or so. Honda was Apple to Toyota's Microsoft for a long time, now their cars are bland and undifferentiated, rather than the innovative leaders they used to be.

killerpopiller 2y ago
habe you seen the Honda e?
- VectorLock 2y ago
  Its cute but not particularly exciting in my opinion, what do you think?
  - thedrbrian 2y ago
    and it's not a tenth as good looking as the concept
    - VectorLock 2y ago
      Unfortunately they never are.
- lmz 2y ago
  The Honda e which is no longer produced? https://www.motor1.com/news/700419/honda-e-production-ending/ https://www.motor1.com/news/700419/honda-e-production-ending...
- robin_reala 2y ago
  I would have bought one had it even had a 50kwh battery, but 35kwh made it just dead in the water to me unfortunately.
JamesSwift 2y ago
Uhh, the Odyssey is still best of breed for minivans in the price segment.
- VectorLock 2y ago
  Yet still bland and undifferentiated and a minivan.
  - mauvehaus 2y ago
    I'm not personally convinced that minivans lend themselves to much differentiation. They all hold about seven people, and more dollars gets you more screens. It's a box on wheels that gets seven people from point a to point b. The screens help stupify the kids in the back to make the journey quieter for the adults in the front. Nobody is shopping by zero-sixty times, the maintenance intervals are all about the same, and they all fit roughly the same amount of stuff. The most differentiation you're likely to find is that one or two will fit a sheet of plywood in the back, which is admittedly a pretty fringe thing to differentiate on, and frequently only matters to the second owner who is a tradesperson who doesn't want a full-sized van and doesn't mind a few stains from the kids who used to ride around in the back eating their breakfasts. Ironically, the Honda Odyssey used to be differentiated by having regular doors in the back instead of sliding doors. They clearly decided that that wasn't an advantageous differentiator, and went to sliding doors after just four years.
    - kwiens 2y ago
      The Toyota Sienna is the only minivan with all-wheel drive, which matters in cold climates or for the more adventerous families. It's built on the same chassis as the Highlander.
      - slantyyz 2y ago
        Not to mention that the Sienna hybrid gets crazy good fuel economy for a mini van.
    - 2y ago
protocolture 2y ago
Still pissed they removed the Jazz from the australian market. It was honestly my definition of perfect small car for 10 years.
- acomjean 2y ago
  The end of the honda element makes me grumpy too.
matthewdgreen 2y ago
I have a Prologue, which is a wonderful EV. Unfortunately it’s manufactured by GM because Honda has been asleep at the wheel regarding EVs. They need to wake up and fast.
- bcatanzaro 2y ago
  So surprising to me that GM’s most successful EV in some ways is sold by Honda.
JohnBooty 2y ago
From my consumer's perspective: amen. At least in the US they were always "like Toyota, but a bit more fun." I have a friend who worked for Honda as an engineer in the past decade and he concurred. He said the goal was seemingly to make everything as "mid" as possible. Their utter snoozing on the hybrid/EV game is baffling. I am not sure how much of that was a failure to see the future, and how much of that was (perhaps?) due to Toyota snapping up a bunch of patents on basic concepts. My extremely loose understanding is that you can't realistically build a hybrid without licensing a bunch of Toyota's patents, but, I could be wrong. (I mention it in the hopes that somebody with actual understanding can confirm or correct)
ycombinatrix 2y ago
Honda E?

killerpopiller 2y ago

habe you seen the Honda e?

VectorLock 2y ago
Its cute but not particularly exciting in my opinion, what do you think?
- thedrbrian 2y ago
  and it's not a tenth as good looking as the concept
  - VectorLock 2y ago
    Unfortunately they never are.
lmz 2y ago
The Honda e which is no longer produced? https://www.motor1.com/news/700419/honda-e-production-ending/ https://www.motor1.com/news/700419/honda-e-production-ending...
robin_reala 2y ago
I would have bought one had it even had a 50kwh battery, but 35kwh made it just dead in the water to me unfortunately.

JamesSwift 2y ago

Uhh, the Odyssey is still best of breed for minivans in the price segment.

VectorLock 2y ago
Yet still bland and undifferentiated and a minivan.
- mauvehaus 2y ago
  I'm not personally convinced that minivans lend themselves to much differentiation. They all hold about seven people, and more dollars gets you more screens. It's a box on wheels that gets seven people from point a to point b. The screens help stupify the kids in the back to make the journey quieter for the adults in the front. Nobody is shopping by zero-sixty times, the maintenance intervals are all about the same, and they all fit roughly the same amount of stuff. The most differentiation you're likely to find is that one or two will fit a sheet of plywood in the back, which is admittedly a pretty fringe thing to differentiate on, and frequently only matters to the second owner who is a tradesperson who doesn't want a full-sized van and doesn't mind a few stains from the kids who used to ride around in the back eating their breakfasts. Ironically, the Honda Odyssey used to be differentiated by having regular doors in the back instead of sliding doors. They clearly decided that that wasn't an advantageous differentiator, and went to sliding doors after just four years.
  - kwiens 2y ago
    The Toyota Sienna is the only minivan with all-wheel drive, which matters in cold climates or for the more adventerous families. It's built on the same chassis as the Highlander.
    - slantyyz 2y ago
      Not to mention that the Sienna hybrid gets crazy good fuel economy for a mini van.
  - 2y ago

protocolture 2y ago

Still pissed they removed the Jazz from the australian market. It was honestly my definition of perfect small car for 10 years.

acomjean 2y ago
The end of the honda element makes me grumpy too.

matthewdgreen 2y ago

I have a Prologue, which is a wonderful EV. Unfortunately it’s manufactured by GM because Honda has been asleep at the wheel regarding EVs. They need to wake up and fast.

bcatanzaro 2y ago
So surprising to me that GM’s most successful EV in some ways is sold by Honda.

JohnBooty 2y ago

From my consumer's perspective: amen. At least in the US they were always "like Toyota, but a bit more fun." I have a friend who worked for Honda as an engineer in the past decade and he concurred. He said the goal was seemingly to make everything as "mid" as possible. Their utter snoozing on the hybrid/EV game is baffling. I am not sure how much of that was a failure to see the future, and how much of that was (perhaps?) due to Toyota snapping up a bunch of patents on basic concepts. My extremely loose understanding is that you can't realistically build a hybrid without licensing a bunch of Toyota's patents, but, I could be wrong. (I mention it in the hopes that somebody with actual understanding can confirm or correct)

ycombinatrix 2y ago

Honda E?