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Which ones? In my experience, a lot of Apples products have incredible longevity. Notes, Calendar, Pages all just get better and better.

ragazzina 2y ago
Alarms, Photos, Siri, Books..
- azinman2 2y ago
  How are any of these half baked? (Aside from obvious Siri deficiencies)
  - ragazzina 2y ago
    Alarms is unreliable for the basic functionality of waking you up. Photos redesign makes it really hard to use. Siri works half of the times, maybe even less than that. Books lacks of basic functionalities such as downloading and keeping books on device.
    - azinman2 2y ago
      How are alarms unreliable? Photos redesign maybe something you don’t like, but you can hardly call it half baked. All of the functionality is there and there’s a new consistency in how it works that wasn’t there previously. Books automatically downloads to device. There isn’t a way to read a book without it local.
      - aqueueaqueue 2y ago
        They are not. I haven't seen an unreliable alarm since the digital age. 1980s LED alarm clocks were reliable.
      - ragazzina 2y ago
        > How are alarms unreliable? A simple google search will answer this question https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/9/24340238/apple-iphone-alarm-broken-timing-failed https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/9/24340238/apple-iphone-alar... Even an hn search is fine, if you do not trust the Verge (notice these are comments from the last 3 months so not an old issue): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42705217 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42705217 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41887505 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41887505 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41962418 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41962418 > Books automatically downloads to device. There isn’t a way to read a book without it local. Have you used Books extensively or just skimmed it? There's no way to keep books on device, make another Google search if you do not believe me. > Photos redesign maybe something you don’t like, but you can hardly call it half baked. Perfect, then keep Photos and kill only alarms, books and Siri.
        azinman2 2y ago
        I’ve never had my alarm fail, but it looks like others have hit this bug. So by your definition if a product has a bug (even if rare but intrinsic to the functionality), then it’s half baked. Given (effectively) all software has bugs, then by your definition there are no fully baked software products. I think we have very different definitions of what makes a product half or fully baked. I haven’t used Books extensively outside of audiobooks. So it sounds like there’s offloading of caching going on that’s iCloud wide; disabling iCloud sync would fix this. I can imagine that being frustrating if the book you want isn’t there when you’re on a flight (which should only happen if you haven’t recently accessed it). I agree there should be a way to prevent this. I wouldn’t call that half baked, but it’s a big enough problem I’d agree that’s not fully thought through (or more likely, they did think through it but came to a different conclusion).
        lilyball 2y ago
        > Have you used Books extensively or just skimmed it? There's no way to keep books on device, make another Google search if you do not believe me. Once you download a book to a device, it stays downloaded. There is a setting to automatically remove downloads once you're finished with the book, but that defaults to off (and I didn't even realize it was there until I went looking just now).
      - pixelesque 2y ago
        Probably a few times every quarter I have iOS alarms that didn't go off for some reason on my iPhone. It's happened for years: it was pretty bad about 5/6 years ago, but Apple claimed they fixed it, but it's still happening a bit. In fact, when I really need to wake up at a particular time (say for a flight), I set two alarms 1 minutes apart.
        SirMaster 2y ago
        Seems like there is more to this. I have been using iPhones since they came out and can't think of a time my alarm never worked, and I use them multiple times a day.
    - superb_dev 2y ago
      What are you talking about? I’ve got the books app open now, I can see all of my downloaded books. In fact there’s a whole section in the library for my downloaded books! Go to library > collections > downloaded. I can see books I purchased and other PDFs that I uploaded. I do agree on the Photos redesign. I feel like I constantly get stuck on certain pages.
      - ragazzina 2y ago
        > What are you talking about? Your tone is aggressive and uncalled for. In fact, the fact that you have never found a very common bug says a lot about your inattention to detail. There's no "keep forever on device" button, which to me seems like a basic functionality. If the app decides to delete them, it will. https://old.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/1b04rzy/apple_what_were_you_thinking_with_apple_books/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/1b04rzy/apple_what_wer... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23736536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23736536 https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/344271/books-automatically-deletes-my-books-when-offline-and-when-there-is-enough-spac https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/344271/books-autom...
        superb_dev 2y ago
        Oh okay, but that’s not what you said? You implied that no books could be downloaded at all which is just not true. iCloud offload is a pretty common feature on Apple devices and one that I find pretty handy. I understand why it doesn’t work for others though. You can turn off iCloud sync in general for the device.
        ragazzina 2y ago
        I don't think I have implied that. I have said that there's no functionality to download and keep files on device, which is true, because you cannot trust the device will not delete your files without your permission (or even without warning you first). But I'm not a native speaker so I could have been misunderstood.
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ragazzina 2y ago

Alarms, Photos, Siri, Books..

azinman2 2y ago
How are any of these half baked? (Aside from obvious Siri deficiencies)
- ragazzina 2y ago
  Alarms is unreliable for the basic functionality of waking you up. Photos redesign makes it really hard to use. Siri works half of the times, maybe even less than that. Books lacks of basic functionalities such as downloading and keeping books on device.
  - azinman2 2y ago
    How are alarms unreliable? Photos redesign maybe something you don’t like, but you can hardly call it half baked. All of the functionality is there and there’s a new consistency in how it works that wasn’t there previously. Books automatically downloads to device. There isn’t a way to read a book without it local.
    - aqueueaqueue 2y ago
      They are not. I haven't seen an unreliable alarm since the digital age. 1980s LED alarm clocks were reliable.
    - ragazzina 2y ago
      > How are alarms unreliable? A simple google search will answer this question https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/9/24340238/apple-iphone-alarm-broken-timing-failed https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/9/24340238/apple-iphone-alar... Even an hn search is fine, if you do not trust the Verge (notice these are comments from the last 3 months so not an old issue): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42705217 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42705217 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41887505 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41887505 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41962418 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41962418 > Books automatically downloads to device. There isn’t a way to read a book without it local. Have you used Books extensively or just skimmed it? There's no way to keep books on device, make another Google search if you do not believe me. > Photos redesign maybe something you don’t like, but you can hardly call it half baked. Perfect, then keep Photos and kill only alarms, books and Siri.
      - azinman2 2y ago
        I’ve never had my alarm fail, but it looks like others have hit this bug. So by your definition if a product has a bug (even if rare but intrinsic to the functionality), then it’s half baked. Given (effectively) all software has bugs, then by your definition there are no fully baked software products. I think we have very different definitions of what makes a product half or fully baked. I haven’t used Books extensively outside of audiobooks. So it sounds like there’s offloading of caching going on that’s iCloud wide; disabling iCloud sync would fix this. I can imagine that being frustrating if the book you want isn’t there when you’re on a flight (which should only happen if you haven’t recently accessed it). I agree there should be a way to prevent this. I wouldn’t call that half baked, but it’s a big enough problem I’d agree that’s not fully thought through (or more likely, they did think through it but came to a different conclusion).
      - lilyball 2y ago
        > Have you used Books extensively or just skimmed it? There's no way to keep books on device, make another Google search if you do not believe me. Once you download a book to a device, it stays downloaded. There is a setting to automatically remove downloads once you're finished with the book, but that defaults to off (and I didn't even realize it was there until I went looking just now).
    - pixelesque 2y ago
      Probably a few times every quarter I have iOS alarms that didn't go off for some reason on my iPhone. It's happened for years: it was pretty bad about 5/6 years ago, but Apple claimed they fixed it, but it's still happening a bit. In fact, when I really need to wake up at a particular time (say for a flight), I set two alarms 1 minutes apart.
      - SirMaster 2y ago
        Seems like there is more to this. I have been using iPhones since they came out and can't think of a time my alarm never worked, and I use them multiple times a day.
  - superb_dev 2y ago
    What are you talking about? I’ve got the books app open now, I can see all of my downloaded books. In fact there’s a whole section in the library for my downloaded books! Go to library > collections > downloaded. I can see books I purchased and other PDFs that I uploaded. I do agree on the Photos redesign. I feel like I constantly get stuck on certain pages.
    - ragazzina 2y ago
      > What are you talking about? Your tone is aggressive and uncalled for. In fact, the fact that you have never found a very common bug says a lot about your inattention to detail. There's no "keep forever on device" button, which to me seems like a basic functionality. If the app decides to delete them, it will. https://old.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/1b04rzy/apple_what_were_you_thinking_with_apple_books/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/1b04rzy/apple_what_wer... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23736536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23736536 https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/344271/books-automatically-deletes-my-books-when-offline-and-when-there-is-enough-spac https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/344271/books-autom...
      - superb_dev 2y ago
        Oh okay, but that’s not what you said? You implied that no books could be downloaded at all which is just not true. iCloud offload is a pretty common feature on Apple devices and one that I find pretty handy. I understand why it doesn’t work for others though. You can turn off iCloud sync in general for the device.
        ragazzina 2y ago
        I don't think I have implied that. I have said that there's no functionality to download and keep files on device, which is true, because you cannot trust the device will not delete your files without your permission (or even without warning you first). But I'm not a native speaker so I could have been misunderstood.
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