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The only current threat to EU territory is from USA to Greenland. There is no threat from Russia, as Ukraine certainly isn't part of EU and Russia has never sh

The only current threat to EU territory is from USA to Greenland. There is no threat from Russia, as Ukraine certainly isn't part of EU and Russia has never shown hostility to EU, except in retaliation from EU hostile acts. So I would agree we need to become capable of defending ourselves, but to do so we should very quickly normalize and reestablish friendly relations with Russia and China, then make ourselves economically independent from the USA, ask them to remove all of their military bases from EU, and start to produce our own weapons.

mopsi 2y ago
> Russia has never shown hostility to EU In some parallel reality, perhaps it's so. In this world, Russia has been remarkably hostile for a very long time, to the point where the entire 1300 km border between Finland and Russia - except for one crossing for freight trains - remains closed since 2023, because Russia ferried migrants from the Middle East and Africa to the Artic circle and forced them to cross the border into Finland to destabilize the country.[1] This kind of hybrid attack was launched on even a larger scale against Poland, by Belarus, with Russian support once again.[2][3] Not to mention smaller acts such as desecration of memorial sites in Latvia[4], vandalizing the car of Estonian interior minister[5], and smuggling incendiary devices on board of DHL cargo planes[6]. Greenland belongs to Denmark, and just today, Danish intelligence (FE) issued a new threat assessment[7]: According to FE, Russia is undergoing significant military reforms aimed not only at sustaining operations in Ukraine but also at preparing for potential engagements with NATO countries. /---/ While the report does not conclude that a large-scale war in Europe is inevitable, it warns that such a scenario is increasingly plausible if NATO does not reinforce its military posture. The findings indicate that European countries must accelerate their defence efforts to prevent Russia from exploiting weaknesses in the alliance. [1] https://yle.fi/a/74-20141931 https://yle.fi/a/74-20141931 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus%E2%80%93European_Union_border_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus%E2%80%93European_Union... [3] https://www.dw.com/en/poland-baltics-step-up-border-controls-amid-migrant-crisis/a-69350351 https://www.dw.com/en/poland-baltics-step-up-border-controls... [4] https://vdd.gov.lv/en/news/press-releases/vdd-requests-criminal-prosecution-for-desecration-of-memorial-site-on-behalf-of-russian-intelligence-and-security-service https://vdd.gov.lv/en/news/press-releases/vdd-requests-crimi... [5] https://www.dw.com/en/estonia-detains-10-russians-suspected-in-sabotage-plot/a-68312742 https://www.dw.com/en/estonia-detains-10-russians-suspected-... [6] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c07912lxx33o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c07912lxx33o [7] https://eutoday.net/russian-threat-beyond-ukraine/ https://eutoday.net/russian-threat-beyond-ukraine/
- ossobuco 2y ago
  > desecration of memorial sites in Latvia Oh, you mean the monument to nazi collaborators? All of this happened after the EU started sending weapons to Ukraine for the purpose of killing Russians, sanctioning Russia heavily, freezed $300 billions in assets, not to mention the destruction of northstream 2. Reciprocal hostility is perfectly normal. None of these actions is severe enough that we can't establish friendly relations again, to our mutual benefit. > Greenland belongs to Denmark, and just today, Danish intelligence (FE) issued a new threat assessment[7]: DUH. They're facing the collective military industry and intelligence of NATO in Ukraine, there have been multiple threats from France and UK of sending their troops in Ukraine, prominent EU officials have been publicly talking about balkanizing Russia and you expect Russia to not prepare to face those threats? They'd be stupid not do it. This is ridiculous. It's like poking a bees nests and then complaining about their aggressiveness when they react. How about you stop poking first?
  - mopsi 2y ago
    > Oh, you mean the monument to nazi collaborators? No. But name-calling everything a "nazi" does not surprise me one bit. To hardcore Russian nationalists, the mere existence of Latvian nation and state is "nazism". Since they were kicked out in the early 1990s, they've promised to return, murder everyone who opposes them, root out Latvian people and culture, and make Latvia theirs. Such revenge fantasies have been a common theme on Russian state media for decades. > All of this happened after the EU started sending weapons to Ukraine for the purpose of killing Russians, sanctioning Russia heavily, freezed $300 billions in assets, not to mention the destruction of northstream 2. Reciprocal hostility is perfectly normal. I expected you to say this - as an indication that you don't know what you are talking about. The hybrid attack against Poland started in 2021, a year before the latest Russian invasion of Ukraine and everything that followed it. The long chain of such hostile border violations, including extreme examples such as the attacks on Lithuanian border guards and their execution[1], goes back to early 1990s. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_OMON_assaults_on_Lithuanian_border_posts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_OMON_assaults_on_Lithua...
    - 2y ago

mopsi 2y ago

> Russia has never shown hostility to EU In some parallel reality, perhaps it's so. In this world, Russia has been remarkably hostile for a very long time, to the point where the entire 1300 km border between Finland and Russia - except for one crossing for freight trains - remains closed since 2023, because Russia ferried migrants from the Middle East and Africa to the Artic circle and forced them to cross the border into Finland to destabilize the country.[1] This kind of hybrid attack was launched on even a larger scale against Poland, by Belarus, with Russian support once again.[2][3] Not to mention smaller acts such as desecration of memorial sites in Latvia[4], vandalizing the car of Estonian interior minister[5], and smuggling incendiary devices on board of DHL cargo planes[6]. Greenland belongs to Denmark, and just today, Danish intelligence (FE) issued a new threat assessment[7]: According to FE, Russia is undergoing significant military reforms aimed not only at sustaining operations in Ukraine but also at preparing for potential engagements with NATO countries. /---/ While the report does not conclude that a large-scale war in Europe is inevitable, it warns that such a scenario is increasingly plausible if NATO does not reinforce its military posture. The findings indicate that European countries must accelerate their defence efforts to prevent Russia from exploiting weaknesses in the alliance. [1] https://yle.fi/a/74-20141931 https://yle.fi/a/74-20141931 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus%E2%80%93European_Union_border_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus%E2%80%93European_Union... [3] https://www.dw.com/en/poland-baltics-step-up-border-controls-amid-migrant-crisis/a-69350351 https://www.dw.com/en/poland-baltics-step-up-border-controls... [4] https://vdd.gov.lv/en/news/press-releases/vdd-requests-criminal-prosecution-for-desecration-of-memorial-site-on-behalf-of-russian-intelligence-and-security-service https://vdd.gov.lv/en/news/press-releases/vdd-requests-crimi... [5] https://www.dw.com/en/estonia-detains-10-russians-suspected-in-sabotage-plot/a-68312742 https://www.dw.com/en/estonia-detains-10-russians-suspected-... [6] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c07912lxx33o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c07912lxx33o [7] https://eutoday.net/russian-threat-beyond-ukraine/ https://eutoday.net/russian-threat-beyond-ukraine/

ossobuco 2y ago
> desecration of memorial sites in Latvia Oh, you mean the monument to nazi collaborators? All of this happened after the EU started sending weapons to Ukraine for the purpose of killing Russians, sanctioning Russia heavily, freezed $300 billions in assets, not to mention the destruction of northstream 2. Reciprocal hostility is perfectly normal. None of these actions is severe enough that we can't establish friendly relations again, to our mutual benefit. > Greenland belongs to Denmark, and just today, Danish intelligence (FE) issued a new threat assessment[7]: DUH. They're facing the collective military industry and intelligence of NATO in Ukraine, there have been multiple threats from France and UK of sending their troops in Ukraine, prominent EU officials have been publicly talking about balkanizing Russia and you expect Russia to not prepare to face those threats? They'd be stupid not do it. This is ridiculous. It's like poking a bees nests and then complaining about their aggressiveness when they react. How about you stop poking first?
- mopsi 2y ago
  > Oh, you mean the monument to nazi collaborators? No. But name-calling everything a "nazi" does not surprise me one bit. To hardcore Russian nationalists, the mere existence of Latvian nation and state is "nazism". Since they were kicked out in the early 1990s, they've promised to return, murder everyone who opposes them, root out Latvian people and culture, and make Latvia theirs. Such revenge fantasies have been a common theme on Russian state media for decades. > All of this happened after the EU started sending weapons to Ukraine for the purpose of killing Russians, sanctioning Russia heavily, freezed $300 billions in assets, not to mention the destruction of northstream 2. Reciprocal hostility is perfectly normal. I expected you to say this - as an indication that you don't know what you are talking about. The hybrid attack against Poland started in 2021, a year before the latest Russian invasion of Ukraine and everything that followed it. The long chain of such hostile border violations, including extreme examples such as the attacks on Lithuanian border guards and their execution[1], goes back to early 1990s. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_OMON_assaults_on_Lithuanian_border_posts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_OMON_assaults_on_Lithua...
  - 2y ago