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Well, the German AfD, which Musk calls Germany's "only hope", may pay lip service about illegal immigration, but really means Deutschland für Deutsche. They're

Well, the German AfD, which Musk calls Germany's "only hope", may pay lip service about illegal immigration, but really means Deutschland für Deutsche. They're eating more chalk but you're not gonna tell Germans who pay attention they don't know what they know. Not gonna happen. https://correctiv.org/en/top-stories/2024/01/15/secret-plan-against-germany/ https://correctiv.org/en/top-stories/2024/01/15/secret-plan-... > Discussion now turns to the practical details, the steps that need to be taken. Mörig wants to select a committee of experts to fine tune the details of this plan for mass deportations. These experts will ensure the masterplan is executed “ethically, legally, and efficiently”, so that the racially motivated forced displacement of people has the guise of a legal migration policy. As you say, most people agree that illegal immigration isn't okay, and furthermore, that integration in Germany is an issue. The AfD wants to use that to enact things that are way worse than what they use as an excuse, kinda like Trump is doing in the US now.

mytailorisrich 2y ago
There is nothing wrong with criticizing immigration. In fact this is one of the biggest issues in Europe and, surely, in a democracy people should be able to discuss issues freely.
- computerthings 2y ago
  Well, there usually is. It's weird and backwards and the people who want no immigration at all are a much bigger drain on our society than immigrants. > There is nothing wrong with criticizing immigration. They had member droning on about putting journalists and homosexuals in mass graves, one dancing on the Holocaust memorial, condoning setting refugee homes on fire etc. hundreds such things, one worse than the other. They're not even patriots, they do nothing but obstruct and destroy and blame immigrants for it. They barely speak German, they speak no second language, they have nothing but resentment, conspiracy theories, scapegoats and "identity". Their neoliberal economic policy goes squarely against the interests of the voters they rile up with blaming immigrants on the money that cut for tax cuts for the rich. > surely, in a democracy people should be able to discuss issues freely. The biggest issue in Europe remains denazification. We can discuss ANYTHING with non-Nazis, NOTHING with Nazis. And no, we don't owe tolerance to Nazis. We owe them trials. > We go into the Reichstag to stock up on our own weapons in the arsenal of democracy with its own weapons. We become Reichstag deputies to paralyze the Weimar mindset with their own support. If democracy is so stupid as to give us to give us free tickets and allowances for this disservice, that is their own business. Every legal means is at our disposal to revolutionize the state of today. > If we succeed in getting 60 or 70 agitators and organizers of our party and organizers of our party in the various parliaments the state itself will be able to equip our fighting apparatus and pay for our fighting apparatus. A matter that is attractive and teasing enough to give it a try... > We are not coming as friends, nor as neutrals. We come as enemies! Like the wolf breaking into the flock of sheep, so we come! -- Joseph Goebbels, 1928 "the state itself will be able to equip our fighting apparatus and pay for our fighting apparatus" is exactly what they discuss at https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-correctiv-recherche-geheimplan-gegen-deutschland-1-jahr-danach#t=2481 https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-correctiv-recherche-geheimplan-g...
sazz 2y ago
It's not a good idea to spread fake news like this correctiv disinformation: "At the center of the proceedings is a Tagesschau report that was based on misleading assessments of the Correctiv report. It was falsely claimed that the expulsion of German citizens and the revocation of citizenship based on racist criteria had been discussed at the meeting in Potsdam. This was refuted by affidavits from the participants." https://www.hoecker.eu/news/wer-auf-correctiv-setzt-zahlt-drauf-gericht-best%C3%A4tigt-verbot-gegen-tagesschau-zum-correctiv-bericht https://www.hoecker.eu/news/wer-auf-correctiv-setzt-zahlt-dr... more details: https://www.tichyseinblick.de/daili-es-sentials/correctiv-campact-ndr-justiz/ https://www.tichyseinblick.de/daili-es-sentials/correctiv-ca...
- computerthings 2y ago
  So they didn't have proof, and some participants pinky swore? Cool. And whenever someone gets caught frothing at the mouth over putting people into mass graves and pissing on them or whatever, and other such things that are a constant with the AfD, they leave the party before they get kicked out. You NEVER heard that shit from the AfD first though, isn't that weird? Like, that someone says such things internally and it causes a ruckus. It's only when non-Nazis catch wind of it and it causes a scandal. Time and time again. Which is Nazi 101. Which is what they do, until they have enough power and laugh in your face for expecting them to stick to their lip service. We've been there before. All sorts of people have all sorts of experiences with the Nazis and all sorts of ideas, not all of them wrong, but this is ground zero. They live among us, they swim in their sewage of what started as RT-style one sided criticism and by now is just deranged FUD for over a decade now, morphing from what crawled out of the underbrush in the early 90s, they do nothing but block politics -- because they want to "abolish the system", not work together with others in a pluralistic democracy -- and get funded by all sorts of shady sources, a lot of which the subject of criminal investigations. They are Nazis, and they will be defeated.

mytailorisrich 2y ago

There is nothing wrong with criticizing immigration. In fact this is one of the biggest issues in Europe and, surely, in a democracy people should be able to discuss issues freely.

computerthings 2y ago
Well, there usually is. It's weird and backwards and the people who want no immigration at all are a much bigger drain on our society than immigrants. > There is nothing wrong with criticizing immigration. They had member droning on about putting journalists and homosexuals in mass graves, one dancing on the Holocaust memorial, condoning setting refugee homes on fire etc. hundreds such things, one worse than the other. They're not even patriots, they do nothing but obstruct and destroy and blame immigrants for it. They barely speak German, they speak no second language, they have nothing but resentment, conspiracy theories, scapegoats and "identity". Their neoliberal economic policy goes squarely against the interests of the voters they rile up with blaming immigrants on the money that cut for tax cuts for the rich. > surely, in a democracy people should be able to discuss issues freely. The biggest issue in Europe remains denazification. We can discuss ANYTHING with non-Nazis, NOTHING with Nazis. And no, we don't owe tolerance to Nazis. We owe them trials. > We go into the Reichstag to stock up on our own weapons in the arsenal of democracy with its own weapons. We become Reichstag deputies to paralyze the Weimar mindset with their own support. If democracy is so stupid as to give us to give us free tickets and allowances for this disservice, that is their own business. Every legal means is at our disposal to revolutionize the state of today. > If we succeed in getting 60 or 70 agitators and organizers of our party and organizers of our party in the various parliaments the state itself will be able to equip our fighting apparatus and pay for our fighting apparatus. A matter that is attractive and teasing enough to give it a try... > We are not coming as friends, nor as neutrals. We come as enemies! Like the wolf breaking into the flock of sheep, so we come! -- Joseph Goebbels, 1928 "the state itself will be able to equip our fighting apparatus and pay for our fighting apparatus" is exactly what they discuss at https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-correctiv-recherche-geheimplan-gegen-deutschland-1-jahr-danach#t=2481 https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-correctiv-recherche-geheimplan-g...

sazz 2y ago

It's not a good idea to spread fake news like this correctiv disinformation: "At the center of the proceedings is a Tagesschau report that was based on misleading assessments of the Correctiv report. It was falsely claimed that the expulsion of German citizens and the revocation of citizenship based on racist criteria had been discussed at the meeting in Potsdam. This was refuted by affidavits from the participants." https://www.hoecker.eu/news/wer-auf-correctiv-setzt-zahlt-drauf-gericht-best%C3%A4tigt-verbot-gegen-tagesschau-zum-correctiv-bericht https://www.hoecker.eu/news/wer-auf-correctiv-setzt-zahlt-dr... more details: https://www.tichyseinblick.de/daili-es-sentials/correctiv-campact-ndr-justiz/ https://www.tichyseinblick.de/daili-es-sentials/correctiv-ca...

computerthings 2y ago
So they didn't have proof, and some participants pinky swore? Cool. And whenever someone gets caught frothing at the mouth over putting people into mass graves and pissing on them or whatever, and other such things that are a constant with the AfD, they leave the party before they get kicked out. You NEVER heard that shit from the AfD first though, isn't that weird? Like, that someone says such things internally and it causes a ruckus. It's only when non-Nazis catch wind of it and it causes a scandal. Time and time again. Which is Nazi 101. Which is what they do, until they have enough power and laugh in your face for expecting them to stick to their lip service. We've been there before. All sorts of people have all sorts of experiences with the Nazis and all sorts of ideas, not all of them wrong, but this is ground zero. They live among us, they swim in their sewage of what started as RT-style one sided criticism and by now is just deranged FUD for over a decade now, morphing from what crawled out of the underbrush in the early 90s, they do nothing but block politics -- because they want to "abolish the system", not work together with others in a pluralistic democracy -- and get funded by all sorts of shady sources, a lot of which the subject of criminal investigations. They are Nazis, and they will be defeated.