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Most likely the countries who will have unconstrained AGIs will get to advance technologically by leaps and bounds. And those who constrain it will remain in th
by ExoticPearTree 2y ago
Most likely the countries who will have unconstrained AGIs will get to advance technologically by leaps and bounds. And those who constrain it will remain in the "stone age" when it comes to it.
- sschueller 2y agoThose countries with unrestricted AGI will be the ones letting AI decide if you live or die depending on cost savings for share holders...
- ExoticPearTree 2y agoNot if Skynet emerges first and we all die :)) With every technological advancement it can always be good or bad. I believe it is going to be good to have a true AI available at our fingertips.
- mdhb 2y agoOk but what lead you to that particular belief in the first place? Because I can think of a large number of historical scenarios where malicious people get access to certain capabilities and it absolutely does not go well and you do have to somehow account for the fact that this is a real thing that is going to happen.
- ExoticPearTree 2y agoI thibk today there are are less malicious people than in the past. And considering that most people will use the AI for good, there is a good chance that the bad people will be easier to identify.
- cess11 2y agoWhy do you think that? There's more people than ever and it's easier than ever for the ones with malicious impulses to find and communicate with each other. For example, several governments are actively engaged in a live streamed genocide and nothing akin to the 1789 revolt in Paris seems to be underway.
- vladms 2y agoAnd several revolutions are underway (simple examples Myanmar and Syria). And in Syria, "the previous government" lost. The 1789 was one of many revolutions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_peasant_revolts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_peasant_revolts) and it was not fought because of genocide of other people, it was due to internal problems.
- cess11 2y agoThe new regime in Syria is rather reactionary, I'd say. Rojava is a revolution however. Sure. The ancien régime was considered illegitimate so they got rid of it, and if a state is involved in genocide it is since the Holocaust considered illegitimate and it should lose its sovereignty.
- mdhb 2y agoIs this just a gut feeling or are there some specific reasons for why you think this?
- ExoticPearTree 2y agoGut feeling.
- ta1243 2y agoThose are "Death Panels", and only exist in places like the US where commercial needs run your health care
- snickerbockers 2y agoCanada had a case a couple years ago where a disabled person wanted canadian-medicare to pay for a wheelchair ramp in her house and they instead referred her to their assisted suicide program.
- _Algernon_ 2y agoAssuming AGI doesn't lead to instant apocalyptic scenario it is more likely to lead to a form of resource curse[1] than anything that benefits the majority. In general countries where the elite is dependent on the labor of the people for their income have better outcomes for the majority of people than countries that don't (see for example developing countries with rich oil reserves). What would AGI lead to? Most knowledge work would be replaced in the same way as manufacturing work has been, and AGI is in control of the existing elite. It would be used to suppress any revolt for eternity, because surveillance could be perfectly automated and omnipresent. Really not something to aspire to. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse
- ExoticPearTree 2y agoI see it as everyone having access to an AI so they can iterate very fast through ideas. Or do research at a level not possible now in terms of speed. Or, my favorite outcome, the AI to iterate over itself and develop its own hardware and so on.
- emsign 2y agoThat's a valid concern. The theory that the population only gets education, health care, human rights and so on, if these people are actually needed for the rulers to stay in power, is valid. The whole idea of AGIs replacing beaurocrats, the way for example DOGE is betting on to be successful with, is already axing people's livelihood and purpose in life. Why train government workers, why spend money on education, training, health care plans, if you have an old nuclear plant powering your silicon farms. If the rich need less and less educated, healthy and well fed workers, then more and more people will get treated like shit. We are currently going into that direction with full speed. The rich aren't even bothering to hide this anymore from the public because they think they have won the game and can't be overruled anymore. Let's hope there will be still elections in four years and MAGA doesn't rig it like Fidesz in Hungary and so many other countries who have fallen into the hands of the internationalist oligarchy.
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- emsign 2y agoOr maybe those countries' economies will collapse once they let AGIs control institutions instead of human beaurocrats, because the AGIs are doing their own thing and trick the government by alignment faking and in-context scheming.
- CamperBob2 2y agoEh, I'm not impressed with the humans who are running things lately. I say we give HAL a shot.
- Night_Thastus 2y agoI don't see any point in speculating about a technology that doesn't exist and that LLMs will never become. Could it exist some day? Certainly. But currently 'AI' will never become an AGI, there's no path forward.
- stackedinserter 2y agoProbably it doesn't have to be an AGI that does tricks like passing Turing test v2. It can be an LLM with context window of 30GB that can outsmart your rival in geopolitics, economics and policies.
- wordpad25 2y agowith LLMs able to generate infinite synthetic data to train on it seems like AGI is just around the corner
- contagiousflow 2y agoWhoever told you this is a path forward lied to you
- eikenberry 2y agoIMO we should focus on the AI systems we have today and worry about the possibility of AGI coming anytime soon. All indicators are that it is not.
- mitthrowaway2 2y agoFocusing on your own feet proved to be near-sighted to a fault in 2022; how sure are you that it is adequately future-proofed in 2025?
- eikenberry 2y agoFocusing on the clouds is no better.
- hackinthebochs 2y ago>All indicators are that it is not. What indicators are these?
- timewizard 2y agoOr it will be viewed like nuclear weapons and those who have it will be bombed by those who don't. These are all silicon valley "neck thoughts." They're entirely uninformed by the current state of the world and any travels through it. It's fantasies brought about by people with purely monetary desires. It'd be funny if there wasn't billions of dollars being burnt to market this crap.
- ijidak 2y agoIt's so interesting that much of this is playing out like that movie Creator where New Asia embraces AI and robotics and the western world doesn't. Here we are, a couple of years later, truly musing about sectors of the world embracing AI and others not. That sort of piecemeal adoption was predictable but not that we are here to have this debate this soon!
- thrance 2y agoPerhpas, but meanwhile making it legal to have racial profiling AI tech in the hands of government and corporations does a great disservice to your freedom and privacy. Do not buy the narrative, EU regulations are not about forbidding AGI, they're about ensuring a minumum of decency in how the tech is allowed to exist. Something Americans seem deathly allergic to.