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I’m honestly shocked that we still don’t have a direct-democratic constitution for the world and AIs - something like pol.is with an x.com-style simpler UI (Cla

I’m honestly shocked that we still don’t have a direct-democratic constitution for the world and AIs - something like pol.is with an x.com-style simpler UI (Claude has a constitution drafted with pol.is by a few hundred people but it's not updatable). We’ve managed to write the entire encyclopedia together, but we don't have a simple place to choose a high-level set of values that most of us can get behind. I propose solutions to the current and multiversal AI alignment here https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/LaruPAWaZk9KpC25A/rational-utopia-and-multiversal-ai-alignment-steerable-asi https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/LaruPAWaZk9KpC25A/rational-u...

dragonwriter 2y ago
> We’ve managed to write the entire encyclopedia together, but we don't have a simple place to choose a high-level set of values that most of us can get behind. Information technology was never the constraint preventing moral consensus the way it was for, say, aggregating information. Not only is that a problem with achieiving the goals you lay out, its also the problem with the false assumption that they are goals most would agree should be solved as you have framed them.
idunnoman1222 2y ago
I think 99% of what less wrong says is completely out to lunch. I think 100% of large language model and vision model safety has just made the world less fun. now what.
numpad0 2y ago
I don't think it does what you think it does. You'll end up taking sides on India and China fighting on rights and equality and giving in to wild stuffs like deconstruction and taxation for churches. It'll be just a huge mess and devastation of your high-level set of values, unless you'll be interfering with it so routinely that it will be nothing more than a facade for quite outdated form of totalitarianism.
- staunton 2y ago
  This reads like word salad to me...
  - numpad0 2y ago
    Prompt in, inference out. Frankly, I can't stand these guys viewing themselves as some sort of high-IQ intellectual majority types when none of such labeling would be true and they're more like stereotypical tourists to the world. Though that's historically how anarchist university undergraduates had always been.

dragonwriter 2y ago

> We’ve managed to write the entire encyclopedia together, but we don't have a simple place to choose a high-level set of values that most of us can get behind. Information technology was never the constraint preventing moral consensus the way it was for, say, aggregating information. Not only is that a problem with achieiving the goals you lay out, its also the problem with the false assumption that they are goals most would agree should be solved as you have framed them.

idunnoman1222 2y ago

I think 99% of what less wrong says is completely out to lunch. I think 100% of large language model and vision model safety has just made the world less fun. now what.

numpad0 2y ago

I don't think it does what you think it does. You'll end up taking sides on India and China fighting on rights and equality and giving in to wild stuffs like deconstruction and taxation for churches. It'll be just a huge mess and devastation of your high-level set of values, unless you'll be interfering with it so routinely that it will be nothing more than a facade for quite outdated form of totalitarianism.

staunton 2y ago
This reads like word salad to me...
- numpad0 2y ago
  Prompt in, inference out. Frankly, I can't stand these guys viewing themselves as some sort of high-IQ intellectual majority types when none of such labeling would be true and they're more like stereotypical tourists to the world. Though that's historically how anarchist university undergraduates had always been.