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It almost feels like no one in this thread worked at a company. Who's to decide to release it or not? Low level workers have no decision rights. Mid-management
by wruza 2y ago
It almost feels like no one in this thread worked at a company. Who's to decide to release it or not? Low level workers have no decision rights. Mid-management that handles this has to cooperate with technical and legal departments and juggle associated risks, including "my-ass" risks. Upper management won't "just do it" without waiting on detailed reports on the facts and implications.
One doesn't simply just do it at Tesla scale, it doesn't work like that. No other automotive company would release it quicker than until the courtroom, unless there was a pre-designed set of processes for doing so anytime. You may blame Tesla for being shady in that regard -- that's true, they are opaque and tricky and their leader is a Demon Lord. But doctoring the case in a non-legal-risky way would probably cost much more to them than just throwing some money at $subj. Imagine all these departments working together to fabricate something not easily debunkable by a curious nerd... That's 100K..1M budget range with unavoidably huge reputational risks.
- rich_sasha 2y agoIn Europe in general you are entitled to access all data a company holds on you. I don't know if that specifically extends to Tesla telemetrics but I can't see why not. You can get all your data from Facebook and Google. So I don't think this is so impossible.
- wruza 2y ago[Im]possible is a technical term. It's demonstrably possible, that's not a question. The problem is in incentives, which are naturally counter-aligned to this. It seems that you're thinking on "a company is just a guy" level. But that is never true (except for nano companies with no structure). When there's no incentives but lots of risks and responsibilities, things just don't happen until there's a grave necessity -or- some envisioning directive that streamlines it.
- johnnyanmac 2y agowell yea, that's the issue. It's a cultural issue and I assume China's culture isn't as consumer-friendly. Even the US has some states with data request mandates. If I request my data, they must deliver it within 60 days of the request. Tesla would have to "just do it" lest lawsuits occur over that. >But doctoring the case in a non-legal-risky way would probably cost much more to them than just throwing some money at $subj And given Musk he would do it. His ego is much bigger than any lawsuit.
- simondotau 2y agoDoctoring raw telemetry data is an insanely difficult proposition. This isn't like modifying database changelogs; a huge swath of sensor data would need to be modelled and simulated. If the telemetry includes camera data, the task becomes exponentially more difficult. This is a major undertaking, would involve many employees, and those employees would be knowingly engaging in a criminal conspiracy. They'd be knowingly risking jail time if caught. This hypothesis is, by any stretch of the imagination, beyond implausible.