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Not at all, its all self-inflicted. He keeps insulting most of Europe, continuously, like a rich spoiled kid for literally no gain on his part, ego is too big t

by jajko 2y ago

Not at all, its all self-inflicted. He keeps insulting most of Europe, continuously, like a rich spoiled kid for literally no gain on his part, ego is too big to have any control over it and his mental instabilities don't help. If you can respect such a man and even give him your money thats you, but many folks don't. Colleagues who own Tesla now regret buying it, literally putting those meme stickers 'I bought this car before elon went fascist'. Right leaning all of them. Its not about left-leaning, no need to spin it that way, he managed to insult literally whole spectrum of people in Europe apart from neonazis. Not many of those buying teslas as one can imagine.

mytailorisrich 2y ago
I don't remember him insulting Europe, what are you referring to?
- scarab92 2y ago
  He's been attacking European regulators, but not Europeans per se. He has business related objections to the Digital Services Act, and broader ideological objections about Europe's culture of regulation over innovation and blames that culture for Europe's stagnant economic growth.
  - mytailorisrich 2y ago
    Yeah, I think in general what he has said is true but also touches a nerve (because it is political so obviously it is polarizing, and because it is a foreign saying it, which tends to irk people anywhere irrespective of what is being said).
    - computerthings 2y ago
      No, it's because it's not true, we actually like the things because they make life better for regular people, and not just the rich who exploit them. Universal healthcare, social welfare, consumer protection, environmental regulations. It's not a foreigner saying it, it's a clueless outsider who wants to get rid of protections for others he doesn't need to make more profit. That touches a nerve because hands off. We SEE the countries that have no regulations and we don't give a fuck about their total size of the economy. Thanks, but no thanks. We saw the sheer brain worms that lead to Brexit, too. If the EU is so terrible why not leave us alone instead of trying to subvert us? Let us live in squalor and do your super shiny mega success stuff that works so well for you.
      - scarab92 2y ago
        > Universal healthcare, social welfare, consumer protection, environmental regulations. This is a strawman. Musk isn't attacking these things. What he is attacking is excessive regulations imposed on new technology, often pre-emptively or without significant demonstrable harm. Regulations that aren't solving any real world problem but exist for political reasons. To allow politicians to message "we'll protect you from the Americans" and to allow regulators to continue having a reason to be employed.
        checkyoursudo 2y ago
        Why is Musk attacking these things in the EU? Why does he care what we do?
        dzhiurgis 2y ago
        Why did he start DOGE? To enrich, empower or to actually fix something?
        johnnyanmac 2y ago
        Given recent news: the steal money from New York. Very empowering.
        scarab92 2y ago
        Most big picture thinkers are like this. They see problems that exist and want to fix them, regardless of whether they are occurring in their own backyard or more broadly. His companies also employ tens of thousands of people in Europe. 11.500 in Berlin alone, and many multiples of that within the supply chain.
        computerthings 2y ago
        He isn't a big picture thinker, he's not even a thinker. Show me a coherent "big picture" thought of his. Or I could show you many things he thinks are very deep any moderately bright teenager would be ashamed to claim. And he acts the opposite as you describe. His factory is causing problems because he didn't even think about where to get the water from. https://tnfd.global/knowledge-bank/teslas-reliance-on-groundwater-hinders-brandenburg-gigafactory-development/ https://tnfd.global/knowledge-bank/teslas-reliance-on-ground...
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
  He more criticizing Europe than insulting it. For example he kept criticizing EU's illegal immigration and online speech censorship practices. And he's right about these two very valid issues though, but self righteous EU liberals will treat this as insults and instead point to some other crazy stuff Elon does and says as a way to control the narrative and invalidate the correct issues he's pointing out through this use of emotional manipulation.
  - computerthings 2y ago
    He wasn't criticizing illegal immigration, but immigration full stop. And his solution is supporting Nazis that want to do away with democracy. Also, the way he just makes shit up constantly, he doesn't get to talk about censorship as if that's something he has in him to care about. Lying and censoring are two sides of the same coin. He just wants to undermine "legacy media" because the cess pool that is X is "the town square" in his mind, and anyone who isn't in it doesn't get a say anyway.
    - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
      >He wasn't criticizing illegal immigration, but immigration full stop. Source? All I saw were comments on illegal migration. >Lying and censoring are two sides of the same coin. False. Lying is exercising your right to free speech, politicians do it constantly with little to no consequences yet Musk is the problem when he does it? Censoring speech is oppression on free speech and a one way street to a dictatorship. >He just wants to undermine "legacy media" Ah yes, the famous legacy media that "never" lies to you and is owned by the "other" billionaires like Rupert Murdoch that are somehow better than the Musk billionaire because reasons? Do you realize how biased and shallow your arguments are?
      - computerthings 2y ago
        > Source? All I saw were comments on illegal migration. No, you are correct, how I worded it "him criticizing it", is flat out wrong. The thought was that he supports the AfD who are lying through their teeth about it, and while I can elaborate on that, it would be with mostly German source material because I don't know or care what of that is described how by English speakers. > > Lying and censoring are two sides of the same coin. > False. Lying is exercising your right to free speech, politicians do it constantly with little to no consequences yet Musk is the problem when he does it? It's also the other side of the same coin when politicians do it. You just said "false" followed by a question that makes no sense. The objective is to distort the truth and deceive in both cases. You can do that by taking something away, or a part of it, or adding to it, or changing something. And they usually come hand in hand. To tell a lie, you have to hide the truth, to hide the truth, you have to tell a (white) lie. > ah yes, the famous legacy media that "never" lies to you [..] Do you realize how biased and shallow your arguments are? Your straw man isn't my argument.
- squarefoot 2y ago
  I never got to know my maternal grandfather because he died in that awful WWII that only fascists and Nazi supported, so as an EU citizen, anyone even remotely endorsing those rotten ideals and neo nazi groups, which I consider a lot more than a simple insult, gets neither money nor respect from me.
- tim333 2y ago
  I don't know about europe but I follow the UK as I live there and he says some weird stuff like civil war is inevitable (I'm not sure who's going to fight who) and slagging Starmer. A lot of the info is inaccurate and he seems to get it off far right cranks on xitter. Amusingly @Inevitablewest who he followed claiming to be a British patriot was recently exposed as "Saurabh Chandrakar, an Indian former fruit juice seller accused of masterminding one of the most high-profile betting frauds in Asia" who isn't a brit and doesn't live here https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14381309/Far-Right-British-Twitter-Inevitable-West-Elon-Musk-sleuths-identity.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14381309/Far-Right-... There's also https://x.com/PeterSweden7 https://x.com/PeterSweden7 "Holocaust denier white nationalist, extreme-homophobe, (former?) Flat Earther, (former?) Moon landing denialist, Islamophobe and conspiracy theorist crank" who Musk sources. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Peter_Sweden https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Peter_Sweden Which goes to explain how a lot of what Musk says about the UK is odd.
  - mytailorisrich 2y ago
    > he says some weird stuff like civil war is inevitable That's not an insult... And while provocative this is not weird. Everyone sees where things are going in the UK and Europe in general and a violent backlash is at least a plausible risk at some point. In fact, he made that comment during riots in the UK... > and slagging Starmer. In fairness, everyone does. Starmer is one of the most unpopular PMs in history after only about 6 months in power.
    - tim333 2y ago
      I suppose people take different things as insulting. It's not that bad but thing like >The UK has become a police state https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1857420350516056102 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1857420350516056102 and this thing https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1822290335059353965 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1822290335059353965 are not very positive. I'm guessing you're not from the UK? If someone started posting "the US is a fascist hell hole" or whatever might you not find it annoying? And it's mostly based on ignorance and not visiting the country. And just for the record it's not a police state and the justice system is not like the second tweet. I mean you can say what you like but it may put people off buying the cars. by the way re >In fact, he made that comment during riots in the UK... The riots were to a large extent set off by bullshit from Twitter/Musk - they put out that three girls had been murdered by an asylum seeker so a bunch of people went to riot at the asylum centers but it turned out to be basically false as the murder was UK born.
- crimsoneer 2y ago
  I mean, he spent a month calling the UK a den of rape before he got bored.
  - mytailorisrich 2y ago
    The cover-up of grooming gangs is a national scandal and the government finally announced an inquiry into the matter after he did that. So that created pressure on the government for the better.
dzhiurgis 2y ago
Was it him or was it left media reinterpreting everything into the spin. Basically self insulted. Bravo.

by jajko 2y ago

mytailorisrich 2y ago

I don't remember him insulting Europe, what are you referring to?

scarab92 2y ago
He's been attacking European regulators, but not Europeans per se. He has business related objections to the Digital Services Act, and broader ideological objections about Europe's culture of regulation over innovation and blames that culture for Europe's stagnant economic growth.
- mytailorisrich 2y ago
  Yeah, I think in general what he has said is true but also touches a nerve (because it is political so obviously it is polarizing, and because it is a foreign saying it, which tends to irk people anywhere irrespective of what is being said).
  - computerthings 2y ago
    No, it's because it's not true, we actually like the things because they make life better for regular people, and not just the rich who exploit them. Universal healthcare, social welfare, consumer protection, environmental regulations. It's not a foreigner saying it, it's a clueless outsider who wants to get rid of protections for others he doesn't need to make more profit. That touches a nerve because hands off. We SEE the countries that have no regulations and we don't give a fuck about their total size of the economy. Thanks, but no thanks. We saw the sheer brain worms that lead to Brexit, too. If the EU is so terrible why not leave us alone instead of trying to subvert us? Let us live in squalor and do your super shiny mega success stuff that works so well for you.
    - scarab92 2y ago
      > Universal healthcare, social welfare, consumer protection, environmental regulations. This is a strawman. Musk isn't attacking these things. What he is attacking is excessive regulations imposed on new technology, often pre-emptively or without significant demonstrable harm. Regulations that aren't solving any real world problem but exist for political reasons. To allow politicians to message "we'll protect you from the Americans" and to allow regulators to continue having a reason to be employed.
      - checkyoursudo 2y ago
        Why is Musk attacking these things in the EU? Why does he care what we do?
        dzhiurgis 2y ago
        Why did he start DOGE? To enrich, empower or to actually fix something?
        johnnyanmac 2y ago
        Given recent news: the steal money from New York. Very empowering.
        scarab92 2y ago
        Most big picture thinkers are like this. They see problems that exist and want to fix them, regardless of whether they are occurring in their own backyard or more broadly. His companies also employ tens of thousands of people in Europe. 11.500 in Berlin alone, and many multiples of that within the supply chain.
        computerthings 2y ago
        He isn't a big picture thinker, he's not even a thinker. Show me a coherent "big picture" thought of his. Or I could show you many things he thinks are very deep any moderately bright teenager would be ashamed to claim. And he acts the opposite as you describe. His factory is causing problems because he didn't even think about where to get the water from. https://tnfd.global/knowledge-bank/teslas-reliance-on-groundwater-hinders-brandenburg-gigafactory-development/ https://tnfd.global/knowledge-bank/teslas-reliance-on-ground...
FirmwareBurner 2y ago
He more criticizing Europe than insulting it. For example he kept criticizing EU's illegal immigration and online speech censorship practices. And he's right about these two very valid issues though, but self righteous EU liberals will treat this as insults and instead point to some other crazy stuff Elon does and says as a way to control the narrative and invalidate the correct issues he's pointing out through this use of emotional manipulation.
- computerthings 2y ago
  He wasn't criticizing illegal immigration, but immigration full stop. And his solution is supporting Nazis that want to do away with democracy. Also, the way he just makes shit up constantly, he doesn't get to talk about censorship as if that's something he has in him to care about. Lying and censoring are two sides of the same coin. He just wants to undermine "legacy media" because the cess pool that is X is "the town square" in his mind, and anyone who isn't in it doesn't get a say anyway.
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    >He wasn't criticizing illegal immigration, but immigration full stop. Source? All I saw were comments on illegal migration. >Lying and censoring are two sides of the same coin. False. Lying is exercising your right to free speech, politicians do it constantly with little to no consequences yet Musk is the problem when he does it? Censoring speech is oppression on free speech and a one way street to a dictatorship. >He just wants to undermine "legacy media" Ah yes, the famous legacy media that "never" lies to you and is owned by the "other" billionaires like Rupert Murdoch that are somehow better than the Musk billionaire because reasons? Do you realize how biased and shallow your arguments are?
    - computerthings 2y ago
      > Source? All I saw were comments on illegal migration. No, you are correct, how I worded it "him criticizing it", is flat out wrong. The thought was that he supports the AfD who are lying through their teeth about it, and while I can elaborate on that, it would be with mostly German source material because I don't know or care what of that is described how by English speakers. > > Lying and censoring are two sides of the same coin. > False. Lying is exercising your right to free speech, politicians do it constantly with little to no consequences yet Musk is the problem when he does it? It's also the other side of the same coin when politicians do it. You just said "false" followed by a question that makes no sense. The objective is to distort the truth and deceive in both cases. You can do that by taking something away, or a part of it, or adding to it, or changing something. And they usually come hand in hand. To tell a lie, you have to hide the truth, to hide the truth, you have to tell a (white) lie. > ah yes, the famous legacy media that "never" lies to you [..] Do you realize how biased and shallow your arguments are? Your straw man isn't my argument.
squarefoot 2y ago
I never got to know my maternal grandfather because he died in that awful WWII that only fascists and Nazi supported, so as an EU citizen, anyone even remotely endorsing those rotten ideals and neo nazi groups, which I consider a lot more than a simple insult, gets neither money nor respect from me.
tim333 2y ago
I don't know about europe but I follow the UK as I live there and he says some weird stuff like civil war is inevitable (I'm not sure who's going to fight who) and slagging Starmer. A lot of the info is inaccurate and he seems to get it off far right cranks on xitter. Amusingly @Inevitablewest who he followed claiming to be a British patriot was recently exposed as "Saurabh Chandrakar, an Indian former fruit juice seller accused of masterminding one of the most high-profile betting frauds in Asia" who isn't a brit and doesn't live here https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14381309/Far-Right-British-Twitter-Inevitable-West-Elon-Musk-sleuths-identity.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14381309/Far-Right-... There's also https://x.com/PeterSweden7 https://x.com/PeterSweden7 "Holocaust denier white nationalist, extreme-homophobe, (former?) Flat Earther, (former?) Moon landing denialist, Islamophobe and conspiracy theorist crank" who Musk sources. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Peter_Sweden https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Peter_Sweden Which goes to explain how a lot of what Musk says about the UK is odd.
- mytailorisrich 2y ago
  > he says some weird stuff like civil war is inevitable That's not an insult... And while provocative this is not weird. Everyone sees where things are going in the UK and Europe in general and a violent backlash is at least a plausible risk at some point. In fact, he made that comment during riots in the UK... > and slagging Starmer. In fairness, everyone does. Starmer is one of the most unpopular PMs in history after only about 6 months in power.
  - tim333 2y ago
    I suppose people take different things as insulting. It's not that bad but thing like >The UK has become a police state https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1857420350516056102 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1857420350516056102 and this thing https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1822290335059353965 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1822290335059353965 are not very positive. I'm guessing you're not from the UK? If someone started posting "the US is a fascist hell hole" or whatever might you not find it annoying? And it's mostly based on ignorance and not visiting the country. And just for the record it's not a police state and the justice system is not like the second tweet. I mean you can say what you like but it may put people off buying the cars. by the way re >In fact, he made that comment during riots in the UK... The riots were to a large extent set off by bullshit from Twitter/Musk - they put out that three girls had been murdered by an asylum seeker so a bunch of people went to riot at the asylum centers but it turned out to be basically false as the murder was UK born.
crimsoneer 2y ago
I mean, he spent a month calling the UK a den of rape before he got bored.
- mytailorisrich 2y ago
  The cover-up of grooming gangs is a national scandal and the government finally announced an inquiry into the matter after he did that. So that created pressure on the government for the better.

dzhiurgis 2y ago

Was it him or was it left media reinterpreting everything into the spin. Basically self insulted. Bravo.