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That's how the knobs normally work. And the original poster describes how "automatic a/c" or "climate controls" have always worked in cars, you set a target tem

That's how the knobs normally work. And the original poster describes how "automatic a/c" or "climate controls" have always worked in cars, you set a target temp and they handle fan speed and air temperature. Why does the article want to make a multifunction dial with no tactile feedback? Have they only ever driven a Tesla?

rahoulb 2y ago
There's a whole section in the article about experimenting with different positions and weights of the haptic feedback as the dial is moved and how to tie them in to the display on the control itself.
- nottorp 2y ago
  Yes. But how about a dial that stops turning at the minimum and maximum and doesn't need you to take your eyes away from the road at all? So last century eh? Maybe also less life threatening.
  - yellowapple 2y ago
    > But how about a dial that stops turning at the minimum and maximum That, too, is mentioned in the article ("This means you can simulate different types of haptic feedback, like different detent strengths and hard stops."). > and doesn't need you to take your eyes away from the road at all? Also addressed in the article ("Showing three different data types in one dial is possible but definitely the maximum. When adding a fourth function, keeping track of your position in the interface without looking down becomes too difficult.").
arkh 2y ago
> you set a target temp You should be able to set 2 temps. Early morning in summer: temperature is under 15°C, no need to heat over 20°C. Evening: outside is 30°C, I don't need 20°C in the car anymore but 25ish would be perfect. A 2 temperatures setting or 1 temperature + delta would prevent having to change it every time I enter the car.
- dupays 2y ago
  I just wrote the same thing. It seems obvious. Set range and forget.
- nottorp 2y ago
  You're designing the controls for the area you live in and for your driving patterns now. There's some famous electric car manufacturer that did the same. His products were unusable in some locales even before he went all political.
  - robertlagrant 2y ago
    BMW's first iteration of iDrive was very ill-received, and so they improved it. I think launching a global car brand is pretty difficult, even if you don't like the guy.
    - nottorp 2y ago
      But I test drove a Tesla and besides the stupid tablet controls the smart turn stalks couldn't hold a turn signal when turning left at a crossroads that wasn't at 90 degrees. That's life threatening if you ask me. No, I don't need to know Musk's politics to avoid his cars. Of course, it's well known that BMWs come without a turn stalk so maybe it seems normal if you compare those two brands :)
      - amluto 2y ago
        My biggest objection to modern smart turn signal stalks is that you can’t turn the turn signal off easily. Sometimes the signal is on, I want it off, and there simply is no way to do it reliably. The old latching stalks could be moved to the center position, and the signal would turn off every time.
        nottorp 2y ago
        With the Tesla i couldn't keep it on to turn left at something like 30 to 45 degrees and at the same time maneuver to the lane reserved for taking that left. Which required turning the wheel right a bit. Since I was test driving, I just moved forward instead.
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ninalanyon 2y ago
The two thumb wheels on the steering wheel of my 2015 Tesla Model S 70D most definitely have tactile feedback. They can be 'programmed' to control various things such as media selection, cabin temperature, open/close the roof, etc. Unfortunately Tesla lost the plot with the Model 3 by removing most of the physical controls and then turned the Model S into a large version of the Model 3 by getting rid of the portrait orientation 17 inch screen and replacing it with the landscape 15 inch one from the Model 3. I've rented a BMWs a few times in the past and they have a clever multifunction knob cum joystick on the centre console but it's a bloody nuisance to use compared to a touchscreen in my opinion

rahoulb 2y ago

There's a whole section in the article about experimenting with different positions and weights of the haptic feedback as the dial is moved and how to tie them in to the display on the control itself.

nottorp 2y ago
Yes. But how about a dial that stops turning at the minimum and maximum and doesn't need you to take your eyes away from the road at all? So last century eh? Maybe also less life threatening.
- yellowapple 2y ago
  > But how about a dial that stops turning at the minimum and maximum That, too, is mentioned in the article ("This means you can simulate different types of haptic feedback, like different detent strengths and hard stops."). > and doesn't need you to take your eyes away from the road at all? Also addressed in the article ("Showing three different data types in one dial is possible but definitely the maximum. When adding a fourth function, keeping track of your position in the interface without looking down becomes too difficult.").

arkh 2y ago

> you set a target temp You should be able to set 2 temps. Early morning in summer: temperature is under 15°C, no need to heat over 20°C. Evening: outside is 30°C, I don't need 20°C in the car anymore but 25ish would be perfect. A 2 temperatures setting or 1 temperature + delta would prevent having to change it every time I enter the car.

dupays 2y ago
I just wrote the same thing. It seems obvious. Set range and forget.
nottorp 2y ago
You're designing the controls for the area you live in and for your driving patterns now. There's some famous electric car manufacturer that did the same. His products were unusable in some locales even before he went all political.
- robertlagrant 2y ago
  BMW's first iteration of iDrive was very ill-received, and so they improved it. I think launching a global car brand is pretty difficult, even if you don't like the guy.
  - nottorp 2y ago
    But I test drove a Tesla and besides the stupid tablet controls the smart turn stalks couldn't hold a turn signal when turning left at a crossroads that wasn't at 90 degrees. That's life threatening if you ask me. No, I don't need to know Musk's politics to avoid his cars. Of course, it's well known that BMWs come without a turn stalk so maybe it seems normal if you compare those two brands :)
    - amluto 2y ago
      My biggest objection to modern smart turn signal stalks is that you can’t turn the turn signal off easily. Sometimes the signal is on, I want it off, and there simply is no way to do it reliably. The old latching stalks could be moved to the center position, and the signal would turn off every time.
      - nottorp 2y ago
        With the Tesla i couldn't keep it on to turn left at something like 30 to 45 degrees and at the same time maneuver to the lane reserved for taking that left. Which required turning the wheel right a bit. Since I was test driving, I just moved forward instead.

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ninalanyon 2y ago

The two thumb wheels on the steering wheel of my 2015 Tesla Model S 70D most definitely have tactile feedback. They can be 'programmed' to control various things such as media selection, cabin temperature, open/close the roof, etc. Unfortunately Tesla lost the plot with the Model 3 by removing most of the physical controls and then turned the Model S into a large version of the Model 3 by getting rid of the portrait orientation 17 inch screen and replacing it with the landscape 15 inch one from the Model 3. I've rented a BMWs a few times in the past and they have a clever multifunction knob cum joystick on the centre console but it's a bloody nuisance to use compared to a touchscreen in my opinion