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I would much prefer nearly other alternative... But at this point I'm rooting for pain and lots of it. It's literally the only way we're going to get this ruli

I would much prefer nearly other alternative... But at this point I'm rooting for pain and lots of it. It's literally the only way we're going to get this ruling party out of power. And even that might not be enough.

mempko 2y ago
The dark part of me is like 'Ok, yes, I hope they implement their stupid plans so that people can see how stupid they are'. The sane part of me then thinks 'Well, a lot of people will be hurt and many die if they do.'
- JohnBooty 2y ago
  Well, it's kind of a trolley car-ish problem to me. When there is no longer an option of zero people being harmed, we start naturally start thinking about which is the lesser amount of harm -- X people being harmed during a quick crash and burn of Trumpian rule, or Y people being harmed over a greater number of years of sustained Trumpian rule. I do of course also hope that I am wrong about all of this.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    Every government faces that with almost every decision. Every aircraft carrier represents something like 40 never-built schools or 15 never-built hospitals. > I do of course also hope that I am wrong about all of this. You and me both.
    - JohnBooty 2y ago
      Every government faces that with almost every decision. Every aircraft carrier represents something like 40 never-built schools or 15 never-built hospitals. Well, it's complicated, right? When the government spends money it doesn't really leave the economy. $10bil on an aircraft carrier is also tens of thousands of jobs... half of the money goes right back to the government in taxes... etc.
      - ben_w 2y ago
        Complicated? Only from a certain point of view. The USA has a workforce of something like 170 million. No matter how this is financed, no matter what form of government you have, their collective output is that of 170 million people. You get some of them to build, maintain, and crew an aircraft carrier, then those specific people are not going to be available for building, maintaining, and staffing 40 or so schools.
        JohnBooty 2y ago
        That's not a realistic way of thinking about it. From multiple angles. Back of the envelope math: there are about 26,000 sailors staffing the nation's aircraft carriers. Let's round it up to 50,000 to account for the folks who build them, admin, etc. That's 0.03% of the available workforce. It's not a remotely significant reason why our school system isn't great. Additionally, the demographic of people who build and serve on aircraft carriers likely does not overlap significantly with the people who would otherwise be staffing schools.

mempko 2y ago

The dark part of me is like 'Ok, yes, I hope they implement their stupid plans so that people can see how stupid they are'. The sane part of me then thinks 'Well, a lot of people will be hurt and many die if they do.'

JohnBooty 2y ago
Well, it's kind of a trolley car-ish problem to me. When there is no longer an option of zero people being harmed, we start naturally start thinking about which is the lesser amount of harm -- X people being harmed during a quick crash and burn of Trumpian rule, or Y people being harmed over a greater number of years of sustained Trumpian rule. I do of course also hope that I am wrong about all of this.
- ben_w 2y ago
  Every government faces that with almost every decision. Every aircraft carrier represents something like 40 never-built schools or 15 never-built hospitals. > I do of course also hope that I am wrong about all of this. You and me both.
  - JohnBooty 2y ago
    Every government faces that with almost every decision. Every aircraft carrier represents something like 40 never-built schools or 15 never-built hospitals. Well, it's complicated, right? When the government spends money it doesn't really leave the economy. $10bil on an aircraft carrier is also tens of thousands of jobs... half of the money goes right back to the government in taxes... etc.
    - ben_w 2y ago
      Complicated? Only from a certain point of view. The USA has a workforce of something like 170 million. No matter how this is financed, no matter what form of government you have, their collective output is that of 170 million people. You get some of them to build, maintain, and crew an aircraft carrier, then those specific people are not going to be available for building, maintaining, and staffing 40 or so schools.
      - JohnBooty 2y ago
        That's not a realistic way of thinking about it. From multiple angles. Back of the envelope math: there are about 26,000 sailors staffing the nation's aircraft carriers. Let's round it up to 50,000 to account for the folks who build them, admin, etc. That's 0.03% of the available workforce. It's not a remotely significant reason why our school system isn't great. Additionally, the demographic of people who build and serve on aircraft carriers likely does not overlap significantly with the people who would otherwise be staffing schools.