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Could have dragged their feet on it, slow-walked it, made excuses, etc. They didn't.

by mmastrac 2y ago

anonfordays 2y ago
Not doing that isn't "obeying in advance" either. We should be glad they're following proper protocols here.
- colanderman 2y ago
  As @mmastrac points out in a related comment, Google has chosen, at the behest of no law, to place the US on its "sensitive countries" list, which is the mechanism it uses to show users from certain countries incorrect names which it is legally obliged to. But, Google is not legally obliged to in this case. Google is obeying in advance.
  - anonfordays 2y ago
    >As @mmastrac points out in a related comment His comments are incorrect. >Google has chosen, at the behest of no law, to place the US on its "sensitive countries" list, which is the mechanism it uses to show users from certain countries incorrect names which it is legally obliged to. That is not what happened, you got fooled by fake news. From Google directly: "This report is misleading. “Sensitive” is simply used in our internal systems for countries that see different official names in Maps (like a different name for a body of water) — that’s all there is to it. This is common & includes dozens of countries. Adding the U.S. & Mexico to that list means nothing more than that."[0] "Gulf of America" is not an incorrect name, that is the current offical name of that body of water according to the GNIS, which is the authoritative source in the US. >But, Google is not legally obliged to in this case. Google is obeying in advance. Google is just following the protocol they've always followed, one that predates Trump. They're not doing anything in advance. This is by definition not "obeying in advance." QED. [0] https://x.com/NewsFromGoogle/status/1884450853136073002?mx=2 https://x.com/NewsFromGoogle/status/1884450853136073002?mx=2
BytesAndGears 2y ago
Why would they? Its name was officially changed. Things are renamed all the time. For a recent example, Mount Evans in Colorado was changed to Mount Blue Sky
- mmastrac 2y ago
  Mount Evans was local to the US, and was not a contested international name. This is the first time the US has been on Google's "Sensitive Country" list. https://www.cnbctv18.com/technology/google-reclassifies-us-as-sensitive-country-after-donald-trump-map-changes-19548211.htm https://www.cnbctv18.com/technology/google-reclassifies-us-a... There's a big difference between those two situations.
- bigstrat2003 2y ago
  Well for one thing it's stupid to change the name. Per your example, I still call it Mount Evans and so does everyone else. This sort of thing is just a pissing contest where the government figures they can up and change the name, but that doesn't mean anyone is obligated to go along with it.
- colanderman 2y ago
  The US does not control the majority of the Gulf of Mexico. It cannot "change the name" of it any more than it can change the name of the Moon. The executive branch has decided to call it something different than its internationally accepted name as a political stunt. Google could just ignore this, but instead they chose to obey in advance.
  - BytesAndGears 2y ago
    I mean I agree that it’s stupid, but my point was that there are protocols in place to handle this already. If the US government says it’s the name of something, then it’s any map company’s job to display the valid name of the thing to the users in that country. They still show “Gulf of Mexico” to users in other countries.

Could have dragged their feet on it, slow-walked it, made excuses, etc. They didn't.

anonfordays 2y ago

Not doing that isn't "obeying in advance" either. We should be glad they're following proper protocols here.

colanderman 2y ago
As @mmastrac points out in a related comment, Google has chosen, at the behest of no law, to place the US on its "sensitive countries" list, which is the mechanism it uses to show users from certain countries incorrect names which it is legally obliged to. But, Google is not legally obliged to in this case. Google is obeying in advance.
- anonfordays 2y ago
  >As @mmastrac points out in a related comment His comments are incorrect. >Google has chosen, at the behest of no law, to place the US on its "sensitive countries" list, which is the mechanism it uses to show users from certain countries incorrect names which it is legally obliged to. That is not what happened, you got fooled by fake news. From Google directly: "This report is misleading. “Sensitive” is simply used in our internal systems for countries that see different official names in Maps (like a different name for a body of water) — that’s all there is to it. This is common & includes dozens of countries. Adding the U.S. & Mexico to that list means nothing more than that."[0] "Gulf of America" is not an incorrect name, that is the current offical name of that body of water according to the GNIS, which is the authoritative source in the US. >But, Google is not legally obliged to in this case. Google is obeying in advance. Google is just following the protocol they've always followed, one that predates Trump. They're not doing anything in advance. This is by definition not "obeying in advance." QED. [0] https://x.com/NewsFromGoogle/status/1884450853136073002?mx=2 https://x.com/NewsFromGoogle/status/1884450853136073002?mx=2

BytesAndGears 2y ago

Why would they? Its name was officially changed. Things are renamed all the time. For a recent example, Mount Evans in Colorado was changed to Mount Blue Sky

mmastrac 2y ago
Mount Evans was local to the US, and was not a contested international name. This is the first time the US has been on Google's "Sensitive Country" list. https://www.cnbctv18.com/technology/google-reclassifies-us-as-sensitive-country-after-donald-trump-map-changes-19548211.htm https://www.cnbctv18.com/technology/google-reclassifies-us-a... There's a big difference between those two situations.
bigstrat2003 2y ago
Well for one thing it's stupid to change the name. Per your example, I still call it Mount Evans and so does everyone else. This sort of thing is just a pissing contest where the government figures they can up and change the name, but that doesn't mean anyone is obligated to go along with it.
colanderman 2y ago
The US does not control the majority of the Gulf of Mexico. It cannot "change the name" of it any more than it can change the name of the Moon. The executive branch has decided to call it something different than its internationally accepted name as a political stunt. Google could just ignore this, but instead they chose to obey in advance.
- BytesAndGears 2y ago
  I mean I agree that it’s stupid, but my point was that there are protocols in place to handle this already. If the US government says it’s the name of something, then it’s any map company’s job to display the valid name of the thing to the users in that country. They still show “Gulf of Mexico” to users in other countries.