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That's not obeying in advance. The change already happened, it's the official name according to the United States. GNIS has published the change, and Google is

That's not obeying in advance. The change already happened, it's the official name according to the United States. GNIS has published the change, and Google is just reflecting that change.

mmastrac 2y ago
Could have dragged their feet on it, slow-walked it, made excuses, etc. They didn't.
- anonfordays 2y ago
  Not doing that isn't "obeying in advance" either. We should be glad they're following proper protocols here.
  - colanderman 2y ago
    As @mmastrac points out in a related comment, Google has chosen, at the behest of no law, to place the US on its "sensitive countries" list, which is the mechanism it uses to show users from certain countries incorrect names which it is legally obliged to. But, Google is not legally obliged to in this case. Google is obeying in advance.
    - anonfordays 2y ago
      >As @mmastrac points out in a related comment His comments are incorrect. >Google has chosen, at the behest of no law, to place the US on its "sensitive countries" list, which is the mechanism it uses to show users from certain countries incorrect names which it is legally obliged to. That is not what happened, you got fooled by fake news. From Google directly: "This report is misleading. “Sensitive” is simply used in our internal systems for countries that see different official names in Maps (like a different name for a body of water) — that’s all there is to it. This is common & includes dozens of countries. Adding the U.S. & Mexico to that list means nothing more than that."[0] "Gulf of America" is not an incorrect name, that is the current offical name of that body of water according to the GNIS, which is the authoritative source in the US. >But, Google is not legally obliged to in this case. Google is obeying in advance. Google is just following the protocol they've always followed, one that predates Trump. They're not doing anything in advance. This is by definition not "obeying in advance." QED. [0] https://x.com/NewsFromGoogle/status/1884450853136073002?mx=2 https://x.com/NewsFromGoogle/status/1884450853136073002?mx=2
- BytesAndGears 2y ago
  Why would they? Its name was officially changed. Things are renamed all the time. For a recent example, Mount Evans in Colorado was changed to Mount Blue Sky
  - mmastrac 2y ago
    Mount Evans was local to the US, and was not a contested international name. This is the first time the US has been on Google's "Sensitive Country" list. https://www.cnbctv18.com/technology/google-reclassifies-us-as-sensitive-country-after-donald-trump-map-changes-19548211.htm https://www.cnbctv18.com/technology/google-reclassifies-us-a... There's a big difference between those two situations.
  - bigstrat2003 2y ago
    Well for one thing it's stupid to change the name. Per your example, I still call it Mount Evans and so does everyone else. This sort of thing is just a pissing contest where the government figures they can up and change the name, but that doesn't mean anyone is obligated to go along with it.
  - colanderman 2y ago
    The US does not control the majority of the Gulf of Mexico. It cannot "change the name" of it any more than it can change the name of the Moon. The executive branch has decided to call it something different than its internationally accepted name as a political stunt. Google could just ignore this, but instead they chose to obey in advance.
    - BytesAndGears 2y ago
      I mean I agree that it’s stupid, but my point was that there are protocols in place to handle this already. If the US government says it’s the name of something, then it’s any map company’s job to display the valid name of the thing to the users in that country. They still show “Gulf of Mexico” to users in other countries.
colanderman 2y ago
Excuses. No-one else in the world uses that name, and the U.S. doesn't control the majority of those waters. Google is kotowing to authoritarian nonsense. There's no reason they need to follow the executive branch's naming scheme. We're not a fascist state (yet). They can use whatever name they want, they can use the name that's internationally agreed upon.
- anonfordays 2y ago
  >Excuses That's not an excuse, it's exactly what happened according to Google: "We have a longstanding practice of applying name changes when they have been updated in official government sources."[0] >No-one else in the world uses that name Immaterial. >and the U.S. doesn't control the majority of those waters. Neither does Mexico. Mexico and the US are both in the Americas. Similarly immaterial though. >Google is kotowing to authoritarian nonsense. Google is doing the exact opposite of what you're claiming by instead not changing their procedure as the politics administration changes. >There's no reason they need to follow the executive branch's naming scheme. Sure there is: consistency of following authoritative resources. >We're not a fascist state (yet). They can use whatever name they want, they can use the name that's internationally agreed upon. I think you're being a bit histrionic here. I suggest spending a day away from the screen. [0] https://x.com/NewsFromGoogle/status/1884012692048166951 https://x.com/NewsFromGoogle/status/1884012692048166951 Further reading: https://blog.google/products/maps/united-states-geographic-name-change-feb-2025/ https://blog.google/products/maps/united-states-geographic-n...

That's not obeying in advance. The change already happened, it's the official name according to the United States. GNIS has published the change, and Google is just reflecting that change.

mmastrac 2y ago

Could have dragged their feet on it, slow-walked it, made excuses, etc. They didn't.

anonfordays 2y ago
Not doing that isn't "obeying in advance" either. We should be glad they're following proper protocols here.
- colanderman 2y ago
  As @mmastrac points out in a related comment, Google has chosen, at the behest of no law, to place the US on its "sensitive countries" list, which is the mechanism it uses to show users from certain countries incorrect names which it is legally obliged to. But, Google is not legally obliged to in this case. Google is obeying in advance.
  - anonfordays 2y ago
    >As @mmastrac points out in a related comment His comments are incorrect. >Google has chosen, at the behest of no law, to place the US on its "sensitive countries" list, which is the mechanism it uses to show users from certain countries incorrect names which it is legally obliged to. That is not what happened, you got fooled by fake news. From Google directly: "This report is misleading. “Sensitive” is simply used in our internal systems for countries that see different official names in Maps (like a different name for a body of water) — that’s all there is to it. This is common & includes dozens of countries. Adding the U.S. & Mexico to that list means nothing more than that."[0] "Gulf of America" is not an incorrect name, that is the current offical name of that body of water according to the GNIS, which is the authoritative source in the US. >But, Google is not legally obliged to in this case. Google is obeying in advance. Google is just following the protocol they've always followed, one that predates Trump. They're not doing anything in advance. This is by definition not "obeying in advance." QED. [0] https://x.com/NewsFromGoogle/status/1884450853136073002?mx=2 https://x.com/NewsFromGoogle/status/1884450853136073002?mx=2
BytesAndGears 2y ago
Why would they? Its name was officially changed. Things are renamed all the time. For a recent example, Mount Evans in Colorado was changed to Mount Blue Sky
- mmastrac 2y ago
  Mount Evans was local to the US, and was not a contested international name. This is the first time the US has been on Google's "Sensitive Country" list. https://www.cnbctv18.com/technology/google-reclassifies-us-as-sensitive-country-after-donald-trump-map-changes-19548211.htm https://www.cnbctv18.com/technology/google-reclassifies-us-a... There's a big difference between those two situations.
- bigstrat2003 2y ago
  Well for one thing it's stupid to change the name. Per your example, I still call it Mount Evans and so does everyone else. This sort of thing is just a pissing contest where the government figures they can up and change the name, but that doesn't mean anyone is obligated to go along with it.
- colanderman 2y ago
  The US does not control the majority of the Gulf of Mexico. It cannot "change the name" of it any more than it can change the name of the Moon. The executive branch has decided to call it something different than its internationally accepted name as a political stunt. Google could just ignore this, but instead they chose to obey in advance.
  - BytesAndGears 2y ago
    I mean I agree that it’s stupid, but my point was that there are protocols in place to handle this already. If the US government says it’s the name of something, then it’s any map company’s job to display the valid name of the thing to the users in that country. They still show “Gulf of Mexico” to users in other countries.

colanderman 2y ago

Excuses. No-one else in the world uses that name, and the U.S. doesn't control the majority of those waters. Google is kotowing to authoritarian nonsense. There's no reason they need to follow the executive branch's naming scheme. We're not a fascist state (yet). They can use whatever name they want, they can use the name that's internationally agreed upon.

anonfordays 2y ago
>Excuses That's not an excuse, it's exactly what happened according to Google: "We have a longstanding practice of applying name changes when they have been updated in official government sources."[0] >No-one else in the world uses that name Immaterial. >and the U.S. doesn't control the majority of those waters. Neither does Mexico. Mexico and the US are both in the Americas. Similarly immaterial though. >Google is kotowing to authoritarian nonsense. Google is doing the exact opposite of what you're claiming by instead not changing their procedure as the politics administration changes. >There's no reason they need to follow the executive branch's naming scheme. Sure there is: consistency of following authoritative resources. >We're not a fascist state (yet). They can use whatever name they want, they can use the name that's internationally agreed upon. I think you're being a bit histrionic here. I suggest spending a day away from the screen. [0] https://x.com/NewsFromGoogle/status/1884012692048166951 https://x.com/NewsFromGoogle/status/1884012692048166951 Further reading: https://blog.google/products/maps/united-states-geographic-name-change-feb-2025/ https://blog.google/products/maps/united-states-geographic-n...