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>Market pressure to get rid of incorrect social views is the only alternative to legislative action to force such change. Thank you. This is why it infuriates

by phillmv 14y ago

>Market pressure to get rid of incorrect social views is the only alternative to legislative action to force such change. Thank you. This is why it infuriates me when you see lolbertarians going about how you shouldn't care. Of all people they should be the ones to recognize why this sort of stuff… matters.

learc83 14y ago
>lolbertarians That was stupid, this isn't reddit. libertarians do believe that market pressure should be used instead of government coercion. You'll definitely find plenty of them who do support a boycott of chick-fil-a. At the same time there are other libertarians who don't support a boycott because they believe that people are entitled to hold opinions that differ from their own.
- rayiner 14y ago
  > At the same time there are other libertarians who don't support a boycott because they believe that people are entitled to hold opinions that differ from their own. There is a difference between boycotting people because they have different opinions, and refusing to give money to a company who turns around and uses it to actively support anti-gay legislation. The CEO of Chick-fil-A is like 90. If he was just homophobic, sexist, etc, in private, it wouldn't make news anywhere.
  - learc83 14y ago
    >There is a difference between boycotting people because they have different opinions, and refusing to give money to a company who turns around and uses it to actively support anti-gay legislation. I respect anyone's choice to do so. However, for me personally I see trying to convince other people to share your opinion as just an extension of having an opinion in the first place. I wouldn't vote for a law to ban gay marriage, but I'd still patronize a business who's owner did. Unless that owner was doing something more than peacefully trying to coerce people to vote for said law.
    - rayiner 14y ago
      There is a difference between "I can't work with you" and "I'm not giving money to you, which you turn around and use to try to take rights away from a minority group."
  - blackbird_t 14y ago
    If the gay community would just leave this company alone he wouldn't be forced to stand up for his views (in public) in the first place. I've known this family for years. They are good people and don't wish any ill will on anyone regardless of their views. The gay community just won't accept the fact that Chick-fil-A will never agree with their moral stance. BTW, this has been going on for years.
    - monkeyfacebag 14y ago
      Can you be more specific about what the gay community has done to this person that forced him to stand up for his views in public? I am genuinely ignorant here and would like some information.
      - blackbird_t 14y ago
        Here's the latest example: http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-chick-fil-a-muppets-huckabee-20120723,0,1227873.story http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-chick-fil-a-m...
        monkeyfacebag 14y ago
        OK, I want to hear you out, but I have major problems with this evidence. First, in what way are the mayor of Boston and the Jim Henson company emissaries from the gay community? Second, this article references things that happened after Dan Cathy's remarks. You indicated that there were incidents prior to (indeed causing) those remarks to be made. I'm aware of all the stuff going on now, but you led me to believe there was some history I was unaware of. Can you explain?
        blackbird_t 14y ago
        http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/chickfila.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/chickfila.asp There's now way to solidify proof based on this. However it seems clear Jim Hensons Company severed ties after Dan Cathy (son of founder Truett Cathy) expressed his views in an interview with "Baptist Press".
- phillmv 14y ago
  >At the same time there are other libertarians who don't support a boycott because they believe that people are entitled to hold opinions that differ from their own. Whereas I, a progressive libertarian (free-market progressive?) believe that worldview to be inconsistent with libertarianism, hence lolbertarian. Companies, governments, organizations, institutions at large all exert and respond to their own social pressures and cannot be considered in isolation thereof.

by phillmv 14y ago

learc83 14y ago

>lolbertarians That was stupid, this isn't reddit. libertarians do believe that market pressure should be used instead of government coercion. You'll definitely find plenty of them who do support a boycott of chick-fil-a. At the same time there are other libertarians who don't support a boycott because they believe that people are entitled to hold opinions that differ from their own.

rayiner 14y ago
> At the same time there are other libertarians who don't support a boycott because they believe that people are entitled to hold opinions that differ from their own. There is a difference between boycotting people because they have different opinions, and refusing to give money to a company who turns around and uses it to actively support anti-gay legislation. The CEO of Chick-fil-A is like 90. If he was just homophobic, sexist, etc, in private, it wouldn't make news anywhere.
- learc83 14y ago
  >There is a difference between boycotting people because they have different opinions, and refusing to give money to a company who turns around and uses it to actively support anti-gay legislation. I respect anyone's choice to do so. However, for me personally I see trying to convince other people to share your opinion as just an extension of having an opinion in the first place. I wouldn't vote for a law to ban gay marriage, but I'd still patronize a business who's owner did. Unless that owner was doing something more than peacefully trying to coerce people to vote for said law.
  - rayiner 14y ago
    There is a difference between "I can't work with you" and "I'm not giving money to you, which you turn around and use to try to take rights away from a minority group."
- blackbird_t 14y ago
  If the gay community would just leave this company alone he wouldn't be forced to stand up for his views (in public) in the first place. I've known this family for years. They are good people and don't wish any ill will on anyone regardless of their views. The gay community just won't accept the fact that Chick-fil-A will never agree with their moral stance. BTW, this has been going on for years.
  - monkeyfacebag 14y ago
    Can you be more specific about what the gay community has done to this person that forced him to stand up for his views in public? I am genuinely ignorant here and would like some information.
    - blackbird_t 14y ago
      Here's the latest example: http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-chick-fil-a-muppets-huckabee-20120723,0,1227873.story http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-chick-fil-a-m...
      - monkeyfacebag 14y ago
        OK, I want to hear you out, but I have major problems with this evidence. First, in what way are the mayor of Boston and the Jim Henson company emissaries from the gay community? Second, this article references things that happened after Dan Cathy's remarks. You indicated that there were incidents prior to (indeed causing) those remarks to be made. I'm aware of all the stuff going on now, but you led me to believe there was some history I was unaware of. Can you explain?
        blackbird_t 14y ago
        http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/chickfila.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/chickfila.asp There's now way to solidify proof based on this. However it seems clear Jim Hensons Company severed ties after Dan Cathy (son of founder Truett Cathy) expressed his views in an interview with "Baptist Press".
phillmv 14y ago
>At the same time there are other libertarians who don't support a boycott because they believe that people are entitled to hold opinions that differ from their own. Whereas I, a progressive libertarian (free-market progressive?) believe that worldview to be inconsistent with libertarianism, hence lolbertarian. Companies, governments, organizations, institutions at large all exert and respond to their own social pressures and cannot be considered in isolation thereof.