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XKCD is not the liberal establishment. The liberal establishment position has been much more fluid with the concept of free speech. There has been plenty of ou

XKCD is not the liberal establishment. The liberal establishment position has been much more fluid with the concept of free speech. There has been plenty of outrage over things like deadnaming, perceived racism, etc. > they have done nothing to restrict AP's access to information or publishing information, only from being in the room with the President Seems related

themaninthedark 2y ago
No, XKCD is not the liberal establishment but is a good tell. You can search on that comic link in forum and see how it was being used. I do hope that you would consider the ACLU as liberal establishment. >But over the past ten years, Donald Trump and other right-wing provocateurs have co-opted free-speech values to advance an agenda often at odds with liberalism and social justice (see Elon Musk’s X), while Democrats, progressives, and, arguably, the ACLU have retreated from the ideal that free speech needs to be protected regardless of the viewpoint being expressed. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/the-free-speech-war-inside-the-aclu.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/the-free-speech-war-... And in case you don't like that source, here is the reference from the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html And a choice quote: >Traditionally, the A.C.L.U.’s state affiliates monitor and argue free speech cases, but in recent years some shied from such fights.
- darkerside 2y ago
  No, I wouldn't consider ACLU representative of the liberal establishment. There is certainly overlap at times, but they aren't driving policy and have a pretty specific charter. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_Liberties_Union https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_Liberties_Uni... Check out the support and opposition section.
  - themaninthedark 2y ago
    If you don't consider the ACLU as the liberal establishment w.r.t. free speech, who is it you do?
    - darkerside 2y ago
      > liberal establishment w.r.t. free speech I don't think this term is meaningful. It begs the question to even claim that there _is_ a liberal establishment on the topic of free speech.

themaninthedark 2y ago

No, XKCD is not the liberal establishment but is a good tell. You can search on that comic link in forum and see how it was being used. I do hope that you would consider the ACLU as liberal establishment. >But over the past ten years, Donald Trump and other right-wing provocateurs have co-opted free-speech values to advance an agenda often at odds with liberalism and social justice (see Elon Musk’s X), while Democrats, progressives, and, arguably, the ACLU have retreated from the ideal that free speech needs to be protected regardless of the viewpoint being expressed. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/the-free-speech-war-inside-the-aclu.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/the-free-speech-war-... And in case you don't like that source, here is the reference from the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html And a choice quote: >Traditionally, the A.C.L.U.’s state affiliates monitor and argue free speech cases, but in recent years some shied from such fights.

darkerside 2y ago
No, I wouldn't consider ACLU representative of the liberal establishment. There is certainly overlap at times, but they aren't driving policy and have a pretty specific charter. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_Liberties_Union https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_Liberties_Uni... Check out the support and opposition section.
- themaninthedark 2y ago
  If you don't consider the ACLU as the liberal establishment w.r.t. free speech, who is it you do?
  - darkerside 2y ago
    > liberal establishment w.r.t. free speech I don't think this term is meaningful. It begs the question to even claim that there _is_ a liberal establishment on the topic of free speech.