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Implementing the President's "DOGE" Workforce Optimization Initiative

32 points by delichon 2y ago

delichon 2y ago
https://unrollnow.com/status/1889479167781015966 https://unrollnow.com/status/1889479167781015966
- Kaedon 2y ago
  This site is lousy with ads
  - deleted 2y ago
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blastonico 2y ago
Are they rewriting federal bureaucracy in Rust?
- pizza 2y ago
  I know you're being facetious but they literally deleted the Biden administration's recommendation to develop software using memory-safe languages.
  - MattPalmer1086 2y ago
    They did? Interesting, do you have a link to this? Can't seem to find anything about it. I was about to give a presentation on app sec trends and that memory safety guidance was part of it...
    - pizza 2y ago
      Ah, you know what, I misunderstood the situation: it got moved to an archived copy of the past version of whitehouse.gov: https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1i7m431/whitehouse_press_release_future_software_should/m8m12x0/ https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1i7m431/whitehouse_pr...
      - MattPalmer1086 2y ago
        Ok, thanks for letting me know :)
mempko 2y ago
I want to point out a couple of facts to anyone celebrating this. 0. A reduction in X spending by the government means a reduction in X income to businesses and households. 1. If you reduce the federal workforce, the private sector has to absorb them. 2. For the private sector to absorb them, they need the money to pay them. 3. If you say, cut $500 billion in salary from federal government, the private sector needs to come up with $500 billion extra income to pay those people. 4. The private sector will lose $500 billion in income because generally people spend what they earn. All those federal employees were buying from the private sector. 5. The private sector usually pays better than the government, therefore for every dollar "saved" in the government you probably need $1.5 dollars in revenue to absorb them in the private sector. So given the facts above, I want to ask people who celebrate this, where will the private sector get the money to absorb these people when they lost in aggregate the same amount in revenue? The answer is they need to borrow. Which means the private sector racks up more debt. The debt they rack up will be exactly the amount (or more!) that the federal government doesn't spend.
- kadushka 2y ago
  Why does private sector have to absorb them?
  - mempko 2y ago
    I mean, yes, we can always choose to shrink the American economy and cause a recession or depression. We can certainly go down that path. It's just not a path most probably want to go down.
    - JohnBooty 2y ago
      I would much prefer nearly other alternative... But at this point I'm rooting for pain and lots of it. It's literally the only way we're going to get this ruling party out of power. And even that might not be enough.
      - mempko 2y ago
xnx 2y ago
From the envy of the world to the laughing stock
- umvi 2y ago
  What does the "proper" way of reducing the $2T annual deficit look like?
  - jsbisviewtiful 2y ago
    Taxing the rich and corporations for their share instead of giving them unnecessary tax breaks that they will gladly accept while still unnecessarily firing large sums of workers. Not complicated.
    - basementcat 2y ago
      Also it would help to actually pass budgets instead of continuing resolution brinkmanship. Previous efforts such as the Hoover Commissions resulted in bipartisan spending reductions without the mass chaos and deprivation of lifesaving medicine to tens of millions of people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Commission https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Commission
  - the_snooze 2y ago
    At least one of: cuts to Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, or defense; or tax hikes; or some combination thereof. Anyone who claims to cut the deficit without making those difficult choices simply isn't solving the problem. https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/federal-spending/ https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/feder... https://budget.house.gov/press-release/governments-mandatory-health-care-spending-now-exceeds-entire-discretionary-budget https://budget.house.gov/press-release/governments-mandatory...
    - umvi 2y ago
      100% agree, though I think people would scream just as much (if not more) if DOGE were going after social security, medicaid, and/or defense vs. psuedorandom federal programs/orgs. I currently think we need "all of the above": - Cuts to Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and defense - Tax hikes That way nobody feels like they are being targetted; everyone should feel at least some pain from austerity measures.
tomohelix 2y ago
Long ago, I sometimes pointed at the fact that China installs a "party-approver" on every committee they have as a stark contrast to the democratic, meritocratic US and one of the reasons why the West had been ahead in innovations. I never thought I would live to see the day the US itself is having one of these. Wtf is this "DOGE team lead"? They will have power over newhires and policies at every federal agency? I literally can't believe it. It is almost unreal. Sometimes I fantasize about what would happen if the world turn upside down tomorrow. I guess I now know how it actually feels...
- inverted_flag 2y ago
  Yes, these are essentially commissars. I wish it need not have happened in my time.
IAmGraydon 2y ago
Have you ever seen a company that has an old guy as CEO who isn't very tech savvy, but has a golden boy employee that talks a whole load of shit in the CEO's ear but he's actually utterly incompetent? Watch this video from tonight and tell me that's not exactly what's going on. Warning: you will cringe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZzXQgZGlDE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZzXQgZGlDE I hope Trump wises up and dumps this guy before he does much more irreparable damage to his reputation.

32 points by delichon 2y ago

delichon 2y ago

https://unrollnow.com/status/1889479167781015966 https://unrollnow.com/status/1889479167781015966

Kaedon 2y ago
This site is lousy with ads
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]

blastonico 2y ago

Are they rewriting federal bureaucracy in Rust?

pizza 2y ago
I know you're being facetious but they literally deleted the Biden administration's recommendation to develop software using memory-safe languages.
- MattPalmer1086 2y ago
  They did? Interesting, do you have a link to this? Can't seem to find anything about it. I was about to give a presentation on app sec trends and that memory safety guidance was part of it...
  - pizza 2y ago
    Ah, you know what, I misunderstood the situation: it got moved to an archived copy of the past version of whitehouse.gov: https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1i7m431/whitehouse_press_release_future_software_should/m8m12x0/ https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1i7m431/whitehouse_pr...
    - MattPalmer1086 2y ago
      Ok, thanks for letting me know :)

mempko 2y ago

I want to point out a couple of facts to anyone celebrating this. 0. A reduction in X spending by the government means a reduction in X income to businesses and households. 1. If you reduce the federal workforce, the private sector has to absorb them. 2. For the private sector to absorb them, they need the money to pay them. 3. If you say, cut $500 billion in salary from federal government, the private sector needs to come up with $500 billion extra income to pay those people. 4. The private sector will lose $500 billion in income because generally people spend what they earn. All those federal employees were buying from the private sector. 5. The private sector usually pays better than the government, therefore for every dollar "saved" in the government you probably need $1.5 dollars in revenue to absorb them in the private sector. So given the facts above, I want to ask people who celebrate this, where will the private sector get the money to absorb these people when they lost in aggregate the same amount in revenue? The answer is they need to borrow. Which means the private sector racks up more debt. The debt they rack up will be exactly the amount (or more!) that the federal government doesn't spend.

kadushka 2y ago
Why does private sector have to absorb them?
- mempko 2y ago
  I mean, yes, we can always choose to shrink the American economy and cause a recession or depression. We can certainly go down that path. It's just not a path most probably want to go down.
  - JohnBooty 2y ago
    I would much prefer nearly other alternative... But at this point I'm rooting for pain and lots of it. It's literally the only way we're going to get this ruling party out of power. And even that might not be enough.
    - mempko 2y ago

xnx 2y ago

From the envy of the world to the laughing stock

umvi 2y ago
What does the "proper" way of reducing the $2T annual deficit look like?
- jsbisviewtiful 2y ago
  Taxing the rich and corporations for their share instead of giving them unnecessary tax breaks that they will gladly accept while still unnecessarily firing large sums of workers. Not complicated.
  - basementcat 2y ago
    Also it would help to actually pass budgets instead of continuing resolution brinkmanship. Previous efforts such as the Hoover Commissions resulted in bipartisan spending reductions without the mass chaos and deprivation of lifesaving medicine to tens of millions of people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Commission https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Commission
- the_snooze 2y ago
  At least one of: cuts to Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, or defense; or tax hikes; or some combination thereof. Anyone who claims to cut the deficit without making those difficult choices simply isn't solving the problem. https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/federal-spending/ https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/feder... https://budget.house.gov/press-release/governments-mandatory-health-care-spending-now-exceeds-entire-discretionary-budget https://budget.house.gov/press-release/governments-mandatory...
  - umvi 2y ago
    100% agree, though I think people would scream just as much (if not more) if DOGE were going after social security, medicaid, and/or defense vs. psuedorandom federal programs/orgs. I currently think we need "all of the above": - Cuts to Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and defense - Tax hikes That way nobody feels like they are being targetted; everyone should feel at least some pain from austerity measures.

tomohelix 2y ago

Long ago, I sometimes pointed at the fact that China installs a "party-approver" on every committee they have as a stark contrast to the democratic, meritocratic US and one of the reasons why the West had been ahead in innovations. I never thought I would live to see the day the US itself is having one of these. Wtf is this "DOGE team lead"? They will have power over newhires and policies at every federal agency? I literally can't believe it. It is almost unreal. Sometimes I fantasize about what would happen if the world turn upside down tomorrow. I guess I now know how it actually feels...

inverted_flag 2y ago
Yes, these are essentially commissars. I wish it need not have happened in my time.

IAmGraydon 2y ago

Have you ever seen a company that has an old guy as CEO who isn't very tech savvy, but has a golden boy employee that talks a whole load of shit in the CEO's ear but he's actually utterly incompetent? Watch this video from tonight and tell me that's not exactly what's going on. Warning: you will cringe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZzXQgZGlDE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZzXQgZGlDE I hope Trump wises up and dumps this guy before he does much more irreparable damage to his reputation.