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> Add on top of that neural atrophy, loss of oxygen, accumulation of senescent cells, poor clearance of waste products I think the enjoyable thing about recrea

by Lammy 2y ago

> Add on top of that neural atrophy, loss of oxygen, accumulation of senescent cells, poor clearance of waste products I think the enjoyable thing about recreational drugs is the way they alter the normally-imperceptible boundaries between body/mind/Self. It provides an opportunity to understand what each of those things really are and what each contributes to my sense of being. I don't see these examples as all too different even if they are failure modes :)

lostmsu 2y ago
So what did you understand that you did not know before? Many people make the "opportunity to understand" claim, but I'm yet to hear anything meaningful coming out. Are you familiar with this joke: A guy decides to do drugs and keeps a notepad nearby to write down any profound revelations he has while high. The next morning he checks the notepad and finds he only wrote one thing: "The water is wet."
- nextaccountic 2y ago
  Here's this famous question (I can't readily find a source so I will say as I remember) There is a scientist that studies color. She knows everything about it that can be possibly known. She knows the colors of everyday objects, she knows how colors work, how light's wavelength affects its transmission, etc etc. She is also fully colorblind (achromatopsia). One day, she finally can see colors somehow. She isn't colorblind anymore. The question is: now she can finally see the stuff she knew only intellectually, did she learn anything new?
  - lostmsu 2y ago
    Of course, she instantly sees color details of nearby objects down to a millimeter, so shit ton of new information. Bringing this back to the joke she can now look at a colored strip and write down the colors in the order they appear on it. But the insinuation that drugs have similar effect is easily disproved by continued inability of the junkie to write down any new information. Again, nobody dared to answer GGP question about examples of any revelations.

by Lammy 2y ago

lostmsu 2y ago

So what did you understand that you did not know before? Many people make the "opportunity to understand" claim, but I'm yet to hear anything meaningful coming out. Are you familiar with this joke: A guy decides to do drugs and keeps a notepad nearby to write down any profound revelations he has while high. The next morning he checks the notepad and finds he only wrote one thing: "The water is wet."

nextaccountic 2y ago
Here's this famous question (I can't readily find a source so I will say as I remember) There is a scientist that studies color. She knows everything about it that can be possibly known. She knows the colors of everyday objects, she knows how colors work, how light's wavelength affects its transmission, etc etc. She is also fully colorblind (achromatopsia). One day, she finally can see colors somehow. She isn't colorblind anymore. The question is: now she can finally see the stuff she knew only intellectually, did she learn anything new?
- lostmsu 2y ago
  Of course, she instantly sees color details of nearby objects down to a millimeter, so shit ton of new information. Bringing this back to the joke she can now look at a colored strip and write down the colors in the order they appear on it. But the insinuation that drugs have similar effect is easily disproved by continued inability of the junkie to write down any new information. Again, nobody dared to answer GGP question about examples of any revelations.