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Cui bono? One benefit to some is the continued assault on sources of truth: Academics, everyone even arguably left-wing, news media, science, now we lack a sou

by mmooss 2y ago

Cui bono? One benefit to some is the continued assault on sources of truth: Academics, everyone even arguably left-wing, news media, science, now we lack a source of truth on weather. More generally, the idea of an apoltical, non-profit source of truth is actively denied and any example is destroyed. The CIA and FBI are other examples. Without a source of truth, how can any public agreement or action form? All information becomes social media. Notice who controls that too: Meta, X, and also Bytedance will be beholden to the same people destroying all else.

throw0101d 2y ago
> Cui bono? Barry Myers of AccuWeather for one: they charge for their services. See "The Plan to Privatize Weather Forecasts": * https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-what-project-2025-says-about-the-national-weather-service-and-noaa https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-what-pro... * http://archive.is/https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2024/07/noaa-project-2025-weather/678987/ http://archive.is/https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archiv... * https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/environment/project-2025-paywall-weather/ https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/environment/... John Oliver did a story about this in 2019 (Trump 1.0): * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGn9T37eR8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGn9T37eR8 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Lee_Myers#Nomination_to_National_Oceanic_and_Atmospheric_Administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Lee_Myers#Nomination_to_... If NOAA discontinues free weather forecasts, everyone (news, websites, apps) will have to pay someone to get them.
- beowulfey 2y ago
  Honestly, I will never pay for a weather service. If I have to keep an umbrella in my bag, so be it. If it means an unexpected snow day, oh well. Other services that depend upon weather will pass those fees down to me anyway, no reason to pay for it twice.
  - knappe 2y ago
    Um. Are you sure you don't want to know about forecasted natural disasters? This seems rather shortsighted.
    - verdverm 2y ago
      Notices about natural disaster should not be pay walled, full stop
      - IntelMiner 2y ago
        What will stop them?
        verdverm 2y ago
        Hopefully the courts, which have been found so some so far Congress should also be weighing in, but...
        throw0101d 2y ago
        > Congress should also be weighing in, but... (One-half of) Congress couldn't be bothered to weight in when there was an attempted insurrection / self-coup: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_impeachment_of_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_impeachment_of_Donald_T... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup
        nirav72 2y ago
        The VP has already stated that they'll disregard court rulings. So yeah, courts are going to be useless.
        dylan604 2y ago
        SCOTUS has already said POTUS is immune. Anyone else not covered by that immunity would be potentially pardoned. After they are pardoned, they are free to go back to doing exactly what they were doing before. They become untouchable. SCOTUS really screwed the public with that immunity ruling
- jisnsm 2y ago
  I see nothing wrong with private entities having to pay for weather forecasts instead of leeching off the taxpayers.
  - opello 2y ago
    A model where a business that makes money off of the public data, after a certain time or amount of money a fee schedule kicks in where they pay back into the system seems like it would make sense.
    - ori_b 2y ago
      One could call that a 'tax', and to keep the process streamlined, instead of itemizing the benefits that corporations get from government services, one could simply charge a percentage of profits.
      - opello 2y ago
        That seems reasonable but I was imagining a system that allowed a window of time to bolster innovation. Maybe that's silly.
  - taeric 2y ago
    Why would you not extend that idea to paying for gps access directly? Simply stated, the idea is that it is a public good for businesses to know the weather as well as they can. For somewhat self evident reasons.
    - throw0101d 2y ago
      > Simply stated, the idea is that it is a public good for businesses to know the weather as well as they can. But not for the business who sell weather services. How can we maximize shareholder value and grow GDP if we don't financialize every possible things? /s > The National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) should be dismantled and many of its functions eliminated, sent to other agencies, privatized, or placed under the control of states and territories. * https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHAPTER-21.pdf https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHA...

by mmooss 2y ago

throw0101d 2y ago

> Cui bono? Barry Myers of AccuWeather for one: they charge for their services. See "The Plan to Privatize Weather Forecasts": * https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-what-project-2025-says-about-the-national-weather-service-and-noaa https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-what-pro... * http://archive.is/https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2024/07/noaa-project-2025-weather/678987/ http://archive.is/https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archiv... * https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/environment/project-2025-paywall-weather/ https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/environment/... John Oliver did a story about this in 2019 (Trump 1.0): * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGn9T37eR8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGn9T37eR8 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Lee_Myers#Nomination_to_National_Oceanic_and_Atmospheric_Administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Lee_Myers#Nomination_to_... If NOAA discontinues free weather forecasts, everyone (news, websites, apps) will have to pay someone to get them.

beowulfey 2y ago
Honestly, I will never pay for a weather service. If I have to keep an umbrella in my bag, so be it. If it means an unexpected snow day, oh well. Other services that depend upon weather will pass those fees down to me anyway, no reason to pay for it twice.
- knappe 2y ago
  Um. Are you sure you don't want to know about forecasted natural disasters? This seems rather shortsighted.
  - verdverm 2y ago
    Notices about natural disaster should not be pay walled, full stop
    - IntelMiner 2y ago
      What will stop them?
      - verdverm 2y ago
        Hopefully the courts, which have been found so some so far Congress should also be weighing in, but...
        throw0101d 2y ago
        > Congress should also be weighing in, but... (One-half of) Congress couldn't be bothered to weight in when there was an attempted insurrection / self-coup: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_impeachment_of_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_impeachment_of_Donald_T... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup
        nirav72 2y ago
        The VP has already stated that they'll disregard court rulings. So yeah, courts are going to be useless.
        dylan604 2y ago
        SCOTUS has already said POTUS is immune. Anyone else not covered by that immunity would be potentially pardoned. After they are pardoned, they are free to go back to doing exactly what they were doing before. They become untouchable. SCOTUS really screwed the public with that immunity ruling
jisnsm 2y ago
I see nothing wrong with private entities having to pay for weather forecasts instead of leeching off the taxpayers.
- opello 2y ago
  A model where a business that makes money off of the public data, after a certain time or amount of money a fee schedule kicks in where they pay back into the system seems like it would make sense.
  - ori_b 2y ago
    One could call that a 'tax', and to keep the process streamlined, instead of itemizing the benefits that corporations get from government services, one could simply charge a percentage of profits.
    - opello 2y ago
      That seems reasonable but I was imagining a system that allowed a window of time to bolster innovation. Maybe that's silly.
- taeric 2y ago
  Why would you not extend that idea to paying for gps access directly? Simply stated, the idea is that it is a public good for businesses to know the weather as well as they can. For somewhat self evident reasons.
  - throw0101d 2y ago
    > Simply stated, the idea is that it is a public good for businesses to know the weather as well as they can. But not for the business who sell weather services. How can we maximize shareholder value and grow GDP if we don't financialize every possible things? /s > The National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) should be dismantled and many of its functions eliminated, sent to other agencies, privatized, or placed under the control of states and territories. * https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHAPTER-21.pdf https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHA...