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Toyota 3 knobs undefeated.

contingencies 2y ago
Simplicity: are they exactly the same knob, thus lowering ordering costs, shipping and receiving costs, inventory costs, supply chain costs, design costs, and error potential? Quite likely. This also allows upstream suppliers to double down on volume and work to lower costs at their end. Versus... the designer of a custom complex multi-part powered assembly (manufacturing cost not discussed, cleaning not discussed, visibility in varying light conditions not discussed) who has the fantasy that users want to squint at a tiny screen on a knob while driving, and that pushing all this and associated documentation down a global service network is going to come at an acceptable cost to users. This begs the question: who's the real knob?
- carabiner 2y ago
  Yep same knobs: https://www.amazon.com/559050C010-Control-Compatible-55905-0C010-Conditioner/dp/B09TKCKFQV https://www.amazon.com/559050C010-Control-Compatible-55905-0...
schiffern 2y ago
The real luxury for me was four knobs (or often sliders). https://i.ytimg.com/vi/W9AjhGko2mA/maxresdefault.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/W9AjhGko2mA/maxresdefault.jpg The fourth one controls recirculate, and it allowed you to set in-between positions between 100% recirculate and 100% fresh air. To simultaneously optimize pollution/humidity/CO2 I find I prefer about 80% recirculate and 20% fresh air, but achieving this configuration is impossible in most (all?) modern cars.
- hammock 2y ago
  It is achievable in every car by cracking the window
  - aitchnyu 2y ago
    I used to do it in my former Skoda Fabia and the window just collapsed. Thank Indian roads. I noticed there is a subtle final movement from "cracked" to closed and I guess there is a big difference in vibrations related wear. Toyota ran ads encouraging owners to crack windows in the rain and I noticed no final movement. But I'm not risking it.
  - schiffern 2y ago
    That's the workaround I'm forced to use, but obviously the disadvantages are noise exposure and forgetting it's cracked resulting in rain entering the car. :-( Yay for "progress" eh? I know the recirculate door servo can stop halfway, just let me control it...
    - oalae5niMiel7qu 2y ago
      Putting the recirculation door on a servo was another dumb MoDeRn car idea. Bring back the mechanical control that never failed.
  - genewitch 2y ago
    "It ain't got no gas in it."
potato3732842 2y ago
Why is it that when the entire auto industry does something right Toyota gets credit? Fanboyism is a pox upon online automotive discourse. Every OEM has used the 3-knob design on and off but it was particualrly hot in the 90s and 00s. It isn't a Toyota thing, or even a specifically Japanese thing. Here's a random 00s Honda: https://www.samarins.com/reviews/img/cr-v_04_int_large.jpg https://www.samarins.com/reviews/img/cr-v_04_int_large.jpg Here's the OJ era bronco: https://media.carsandbids.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=2080,quality=80/360d4748cf103ccc8156a0d94596456ca0512c29/photos/KZeJPeDO-99hctG05jg-(edit).jpg?t=167848960503 https://media.carsandbids.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=2080,quali... Here's a GMT800 https://jandjautowrecking.com/cdn/shop/files/57_8fc2bd4a-2cb5-4290-b11a-c608fa106364.jpg?v=1736268705&width=1080 https://jandjautowrecking.com/cdn/shop/files/57_8fc2bd4a-2cb... Here's a radom VW https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/7w0AAOSwApleAMyP/s-l1600.webp https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/7w0AAOSwApleAMyP/s-l1600.webp

Simplicity: are they exactly the same knob, thus lowering ordering costs, shipping and receiving costs, inventory costs, supply chain costs, design costs, and error potential? Quite likely. This also allows upstream suppliers to double down on volume and work to lower costs at their end. Versus... the designer of a custom complex multi-part powered assembly (manufacturing cost not discussed, cleaning not discussed, visibility in varying light conditions not discussed) who has the fantasy that users want to squint at a tiny screen on a knob while driving, and that pushing all this and associated documentation down a global service network is going to come at an acceptable cost to users. This begs the question: who's the real knob?

carabiner 2y ago
Yep same knobs: https://www.amazon.com/559050C010-Control-Compatible-55905-0C010-Conditioner/dp/B09TKCKFQV https://www.amazon.com/559050C010-Control-Compatible-55905-0...

schiffern 2y ago

The real luxury for me was four knobs (or often sliders). https://i.ytimg.com/vi/W9AjhGko2mA/maxresdefault.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/W9AjhGko2mA/maxresdefault.jpg The fourth one controls recirculate, and it allowed you to set in-between positions between 100% recirculate and 100% fresh air. To simultaneously optimize pollution/humidity/CO2 I find I prefer about 80% recirculate and 20% fresh air, but achieving this configuration is impossible in most (all?) modern cars.

hammock 2y ago
It is achievable in every car by cracking the window
- aitchnyu 2y ago
  I used to do it in my former Skoda Fabia and the window just collapsed. Thank Indian roads. I noticed there is a subtle final movement from "cracked" to closed and I guess there is a big difference in vibrations related wear. Toyota ran ads encouraging owners to crack windows in the rain and I noticed no final movement. But I'm not risking it.
- schiffern 2y ago
  That's the workaround I'm forced to use, but obviously the disadvantages are noise exposure and forgetting it's cracked resulting in rain entering the car. :-( Yay for "progress" eh? I know the recirculate door servo can stop halfway, just let me control it...
  - oalae5niMiel7qu 2y ago
    Putting the recirculation door on a servo was another dumb MoDeRn car idea. Bring back the mechanical control that never failed.
- genewitch 2y ago
  "It ain't got no gas in it."

potato3732842 2y ago

Why is it that when the entire auto industry does something right Toyota gets credit? Fanboyism is a pox upon online automotive discourse. Every OEM has used the 3-knob design on and off but it was particualrly hot in the 90s and 00s. It isn't a Toyota thing, or even a specifically Japanese thing. Here's a random 00s Honda: https://www.samarins.com/reviews/img/cr-v_04_int_large.jpg https://www.samarins.com/reviews/img/cr-v_04_int_large.jpg Here's the OJ era bronco: https://media.carsandbids.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=2080,quality=80/360d4748cf103ccc8156a0d94596456ca0512c29/photos/KZeJPeDO-99hctG05jg-(edit).jpg?t=167848960503 https://media.carsandbids.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=2080,quali... Here's a GMT800 https://jandjautowrecking.com/cdn/shop/files/57_8fc2bd4a-2cb5-4290-b11a-c608fa106364.jpg?v=1736268705&width=1080 https://jandjautowrecking.com/cdn/shop/files/57_8fc2bd4a-2cb... Here's a radom VW https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/7w0AAOSwApleAMyP/s-l1600.webp https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/7w0AAOSwApleAMyP/s-l1600.webp