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That's hilarious. I'd rather hire a team of people that have specialized teams and have built 1000s of houses, not a guy that built one and thinks he's really g

That's hilarious. I'd rather hire a team of people that have specialized teams and have built 1000s of houses, not a guy that built one and thinks he's really good at it, sorry.

_carbyau_ 2y ago
I understand the point of specialisation/efficiency etc. The concern I have is that of conflicting motives. A person who builds their own house will care about what they built. A specialised team will care to get paid and know all the corners to cut to get the job done to the minimum standard. What kind of house do you want? One built robustly with care? Or one built to minimum standard? Not everyone wants minimum standard.
- bongodongobob 2y ago
  It just sounds like you don't know how construction works.
  - _carbyau_ 2y ago
    It just sounds like you don't know how people work. As some of the other "I build my own house" commenters here have mentioned, nothing stops them from hiring people when they want and specifying higher than code minimums. Building your own house doesn't mean you have to do absolutely everything even when it doesn't make sense because someone else has the tools to do it better. But it does mean they have the choice.
    - bongodongobob 2y ago
      I work for a national construction company. You saying "construction not done diy = bad quality" makes you an absolute clown dude, just stop. There are guys working here that have been tradesman before you were born. The arrogance to say you can do it better is astonishing.
      - _carbyau_ 2y ago
        Whoa up there. I am not attacking the people you work with. I also don't have to "stop" because you wish to put words in my mouth and broadcast assumptions unchallenged. I never said "construction not done diy = bad quality". I tried to say: "tradesperson work has incentive to meet code and move on, as opposed to diy which has incentive to build something that person wants to live with". My attempt to say that clearly didn't work well. Good thing my trade is not wordsmithing. If you want to bring up "bad quality" ... like all humans there are dodgy elements in any group. I'm sure a whole forum of war stories of dumb shit tradespeople have done can come to light - there's probably a subreddit. Maybe all the people you work with are legends in their craft. However my point is not the skill level - it is the structure of motivations. A person building their own house thinks differently about the house than tradespeople coming and going. Asides: 1. where do you think DIY builders come from? Everyone I know doing/did it either is or was a tradesperson. They decided to stop going job to job for someone else and put more time into generalising so they can make something for themselves. 2. how old do you think I am? I would hope the "tradesman before I was born" could be retired before they got to their 70's. I guess some people like to keep moving and work is as good as anything.
quesera 2y ago
This post is literally about the value of building things with your own hands. If you do not derive value from that sort of thing, then what point are you trying to make? I have no desire to sew my own clothes, but I'm guessing you are not interested in hearing me talk more about that?
- bongodongobob 2y ago
  When I think of building things with my hands I think of building a table, refinishing a dresser, building a shed, soldering some electronics. 99% of people should consider doing these things. 99% should not consider building a house. That's engineering, not a hobby. How many people have done this, 1/100000? It's beyond the spectrum of things you should DIY. You have to be a little crazy to even consider it. Most people have 40+ hr a week jobs and can't build a fuckin home in their spare time. If you have the time, talent, and money to do this, great. You are part of a tiny elite group of people.
  - ty6853 2y ago
    If you follow IRC ( code book )building a home can be entirely prescriptive with 0 engineering. This is what I did since I'm not a structural engineer and I didn't have money for engineered plans nor an architect.
  - defrost 2y ago
    > How many people have done this, 1/100000? It's beyond the spectrum of things you should DIY. Where I live, Western Australia, maybe 2% of adults that I know have been actively involved in building and or major rennovations of a house. There are a lot of people here with serious trades backgrounds, many with rural backgrounds that'll tackle anything. People here even build their own aircraft and quirky ground effect flying machines. I've built three houses; two significant renno's (jacking up and replacing major structural elements), and one from foundations upwards. My father's played a major role in three full builds (he's not a "builder by trade", just a former farm hand, shearer, five year navy, mining foreman, etc. type). > You are part of a tiny elite group of people. Still, not that hard.
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acheron 2y ago
The “team of people that build 1000s of houses” have the motto that if they didn’t make any mistakes, they’re not working fast enough. Give me one guy who actually cares any day.
horns4lyfe 2y ago
lol specialized teams? It’s just whatever illegal immigrants are willing to show up that day

That's hilarious. I'd rather hire a team of people that have specialized teams and have built 1000s of houses, not a guy that built one and thinks he's really good at it, sorry.

_carbyau_ 2y ago

I understand the point of specialisation/efficiency etc. The concern I have is that of conflicting motives. A person who builds their own house will care about what they built. A specialised team will care to get paid and know all the corners to cut to get the job done to the minimum standard. What kind of house do you want? One built robustly with care? Or one built to minimum standard? Not everyone wants minimum standard.

bongodongobob 2y ago
It just sounds like you don't know how construction works.
- _carbyau_ 2y ago
  It just sounds like you don't know how people work. As some of the other "I build my own house" commenters here have mentioned, nothing stops them from hiring people when they want and specifying higher than code minimums. Building your own house doesn't mean you have to do absolutely everything even when it doesn't make sense because someone else has the tools to do it better. But it does mean they have the choice.
  - bongodongobob 2y ago
    I work for a national construction company. You saying "construction not done diy = bad quality" makes you an absolute clown dude, just stop. There are guys working here that have been tradesman before you were born. The arrogance to say you can do it better is astonishing.
    - _carbyau_ 2y ago
      Whoa up there. I am not attacking the people you work with. I also don't have to "stop" because you wish to put words in my mouth and broadcast assumptions unchallenged. I never said "construction not done diy = bad quality". I tried to say: "tradesperson work has incentive to meet code and move on, as opposed to diy which has incentive to build something that person wants to live with". My attempt to say that clearly didn't work well. Good thing my trade is not wordsmithing. If you want to bring up "bad quality" ... like all humans there are dodgy elements in any group. I'm sure a whole forum of war stories of dumb shit tradespeople have done can come to light - there's probably a subreddit. Maybe all the people you work with are legends in their craft. However my point is not the skill level - it is the structure of motivations. A person building their own house thinks differently about the house than tradespeople coming and going. Asides: 1. where do you think DIY builders come from? Everyone I know doing/did it either is or was a tradesperson. They decided to stop going job to job for someone else and put more time into generalising so they can make something for themselves. 2. how old do you think I am? I would hope the "tradesman before I was born" could be retired before they got to their 70's. I guess some people like to keep moving and work is as good as anything.

quesera 2y ago

This post is literally about the value of building things with your own hands. If you do not derive value from that sort of thing, then what point are you trying to make? I have no desire to sew my own clothes, but I'm guessing you are not interested in hearing me talk more about that?

bongodongobob 2y ago
When I think of building things with my hands I think of building a table, refinishing a dresser, building a shed, soldering some electronics. 99% of people should consider doing these things. 99% should not consider building a house. That's engineering, not a hobby. How many people have done this, 1/100000? It's beyond the spectrum of things you should DIY. You have to be a little crazy to even consider it. Most people have 40+ hr a week jobs and can't build a fuckin home in their spare time. If you have the time, talent, and money to do this, great. You are part of a tiny elite group of people.
- ty6853 2y ago
  If you follow IRC ( code book )building a home can be entirely prescriptive with 0 engineering. This is what I did since I'm not a structural engineer and I didn't have money for engineered plans nor an architect.
- defrost 2y ago
  > How many people have done this, 1/100000? It's beyond the spectrum of things you should DIY. Where I live, Western Australia, maybe 2% of adults that I know have been actively involved in building and or major rennovations of a house. There are a lot of people here with serious trades backgrounds, many with rural backgrounds that'll tackle anything. People here even build their own aircraft and quirky ground effect flying machines. I've built three houses; two significant renno's (jacking up and replacing major structural elements), and one from foundations upwards. My father's played a major role in three full builds (he's not a "builder by trade", just a former farm hand, shearer, five year navy, mining foreman, etc. type). > You are part of a tiny elite group of people. Still, not that hard.
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acheron 2y ago

The “team of people that build 1000s of houses” have the motto that if they didn’t make any mistakes, they’re not working fast enough. Give me one guy who actually cares any day.

horns4lyfe 2y ago

lol specialized teams? It’s just whatever illegal immigrants are willing to show up that day