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The statements in the article are as good as impossible to verify, no clear metrics, no formulas, no charts. Also the pretext that 'voters' vote around 'the ec

The statements in the article are as good as impossible to verify, no clear metrics, no formulas, no charts. Also the pretext that 'voters' vote around 'the economy' is hard to qualify nor quantify. What's clear to me is that a lot of voters believed someone who repeats things over and over and promises to 'fix' things with zero evidence to show for. It tells us more about effectiveness of repeating, fear mongering and blaming 'the others' than about economics.

lapcat 2y ago
> The statements in the article are as good as impossible to verify, no clear metrics, no formulas, no charts. The author's bio links to https://www.gene-ludwig.com/ https://www.gene-ludwig.com/ which has a number of whitepapers.
bdangubic 2y ago
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ThrowawayR2 2y ago
> "Also the pretext that 'voters' vote around 'the economy' is hard to qualify nor quantify." It's not that difficult to Google for poll results: Pre-election: "As concerns around the state of the economy and inflation continue, about eight-in-ten registered voters (81%) say the economy will be very important to their vote in the 2024 presidential election." (https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/09/09/issues-and-the-2024-election/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/09/09/issues-and-t...) Post-election: "Among 2024 voters, the state of the national economy and the level of inflation were seen as reasons to support Trump by double digits." (https://navigatorresearch.org/2024-post-election-survey-the-reasons-for-voting-for-trump-and-harris/ https://navigatorresearch.org/2024-post-election-survey-the-...) There's plenty of other polling data from the November 2024 election. What is it that people are finding it difficult to quantify or qualify?
- nuancebydefault 2y ago
  I did not search for such polls, thanks for that. If it is true, what I still find hard to believe is that there is a link between yelling 'I fix it' and the effect on the economy. Economic history teaches that starting a trade war on terms of 'they are treating us badly' or not, has consequences that are bad for the economy. One of the Bushes has tried the same thing and had to roll it back because the heavy backfiring. Yelling 'I will stop this and that war using my charms' doesn't appear to have successful precedent either.
  - ThrowawayR2 2y ago
    Oh, believe me, I agree with you that the voters have made a spectacularly poor choice if they were hoping to get the economy improved. But that's not the topic; the question is how the Democrats failed to understand the economic hardship of the voting public when it's literally their job to be in tune with voters and why there's still some level of denialism hanging around with Democratic leaning voters about the state of the economy.
    - ryandrake 2y ago
      I don't think either major party denies the economy is bad or that the public is suffering economic hardship. One just repeats without evidence that only they can fix it, and the other probably can fix it but chooses to do nothing. The only people who think the economy is great are the top 0.01% who get richer and richer every year, regardless of "good" or "bad" times.
      - ThrowawayR2 2y ago
        There's denialism going on in a variety of posts up above. Please go tell them that.

lapcat 2y ago

> The statements in the article are as good as impossible to verify, no clear metrics, no formulas, no charts. The author's bio links to https://www.gene-ludwig.com/ https://www.gene-ludwig.com/ which has a number of whitepapers.

bdangubic 2y ago

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ThrowawayR2 2y ago

> "Also the pretext that 'voters' vote around 'the economy' is hard to qualify nor quantify." It's not that difficult to Google for poll results: Pre-election: "As concerns around the state of the economy and inflation continue, about eight-in-ten registered voters (81%) say the economy will be very important to their vote in the 2024 presidential election." (https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/09/09/issues-and-the-2024-election/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/09/09/issues-and-t...) Post-election: "Among 2024 voters, the state of the national economy and the level of inflation were seen as reasons to support Trump by double digits." (https://navigatorresearch.org/2024-post-election-survey-the-reasons-for-voting-for-trump-and-harris/ https://navigatorresearch.org/2024-post-election-survey-the-...) There's plenty of other polling data from the November 2024 election. What is it that people are finding it difficult to quantify or qualify?

nuancebydefault 2y ago
I did not search for such polls, thanks for that. If it is true, what I still find hard to believe is that there is a link between yelling 'I fix it' and the effect on the economy. Economic history teaches that starting a trade war on terms of 'they are treating us badly' or not, has consequences that are bad for the economy. One of the Bushes has tried the same thing and had to roll it back because the heavy backfiring. Yelling 'I will stop this and that war using my charms' doesn't appear to have successful precedent either.
- ThrowawayR2 2y ago
  Oh, believe me, I agree with you that the voters have made a spectacularly poor choice if they were hoping to get the economy improved. But that's not the topic; the question is how the Democrats failed to understand the economic hardship of the voting public when it's literally their job to be in tune with voters and why there's still some level of denialism hanging around with Democratic leaning voters about the state of the economy.
  - ryandrake 2y ago
    I don't think either major party denies the economy is bad or that the public is suffering economic hardship. One just repeats without evidence that only they can fix it, and the other probably can fix it but chooses to do nothing. The only people who think the economy is great are the top 0.01% who get richer and richer every year, regardless of "good" or "bad" times.
    - ThrowawayR2 2y ago
      There's denialism going on in a variety of posts up above. Please go tell them that.