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One of these agencies is not going to comply. And then what? Trump is already pushing the legal “theory” that the judiciary cannot check the executive. This is

One of these agencies is not going to comply. And then what? Trump is already pushing the legal “theory” that the judiciary cannot check the executive. This is bound to end up in front of the Supreme Court, and who knows what those guys will do?

NickC25 2y ago
> and who knows what those guys will do? I think we all know, it's been choreographed for decades now. The supreme court exists as a means of rubber-stamping republican legislation.
- kergonath 2y ago
  Yeah, it was mostly a rhetorical question.
fzeroracer 2y ago
We already have a few cases like that where judges are ruling that the executive is not complying with court orders. So good question, what enforcement mechanism does the judicial have if the executive simply does not comply?
- unsnap_biceps 2y ago
  In theory, Congress should impeach. And if congress failed, the final option would be "We the People" with the second amendment. That said, in reality, I don't expect there will be any real pushback. It'll be people attempting to work in the constrains of a new system and life will largely still be mostly normal for folks.
artificialLimbs 2y ago
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- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43000640 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43000640 is an article about Vance saying it, like, two days ago. (You're going to have to have showdead on to see the link, though.) And he didn't quite say that the judiciary can't check the executive. He said that the judiciary can't check the "legitimate power" of the executive. (Of course, that completely misses that the judiciary checks the executive precisely by ruling that something is outside the legitimate power of the executive...)
  - kergonath 2y ago
    > He said that the judiciary can't check the "legitimate power" of the executive. Where the president decides what is legitimate or constitutional. It’s a fig leaf.
    - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
      That's where the battle line is currently drawn. Does the president get to decide that, or does the judge? Is it a fig leaf, or is it a real constraint?
    - anthonygd 2y ago
      There fundamentally is going to be conflict in any system of checks and balances. Neither the SCOTUS nor POTUS get to unilaterally decide the limits. Trump hasn't been following convention, but that doesn't mean he's wrong. We also can't just assume he's right. Having the 3 branches hash out a balance is perfectly reasonable and confirms the system is working as intended.
- NickC25 2y ago
  Project 2025 is the blueprint for this. JD Vance is also on TV all the time basically ignoring the most basic constitutional provisions, and Trump's pimp-daddy Musk is also ignoring the courts. This is a trend.
- kergonath 2y ago
  See here, for example: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/09/us/politics/vance-trump-federal-courts-executive-order.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/09/us/politics/vance-trump-f... It’s one of the latest examples. In this case it’s amplified by Vance, but he’s been saying that for quite a while now, with his ideas of presidential immunity. And it’s all there in Project 2025.

NickC25 2y ago

> and who knows what those guys will do? I think we all know, it's been choreographed for decades now. The supreme court exists as a means of rubber-stamping republican legislation.

kergonath 2y ago
Yeah, it was mostly a rhetorical question.

fzeroracer 2y ago

We already have a few cases like that where judges are ruling that the executive is not complying with court orders. So good question, what enforcement mechanism does the judicial have if the executive simply does not comply?

unsnap_biceps 2y ago
In theory, Congress should impeach. And if congress failed, the final option would be "We the People" with the second amendment. That said, in reality, I don't expect there will be any real pushback. It'll be people attempting to work in the constrains of a new system and life will largely still be mostly normal for folks.

artificialLimbs 2y ago

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AnimalMuppet 2y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43000640 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43000640 is an article about Vance saying it, like, two days ago. (You're going to have to have showdead on to see the link, though.) And he didn't quite say that the judiciary can't check the executive. He said that the judiciary can't check the "legitimate power" of the executive. (Of course, that completely misses that the judiciary checks the executive precisely by ruling that something is outside the legitimate power of the executive...)
- kergonath 2y ago
  > He said that the judiciary can't check the "legitimate power" of the executive. Where the president decides what is legitimate or constitutional. It’s a fig leaf.
  - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
    That's where the battle line is currently drawn. Does the president get to decide that, or does the judge? Is it a fig leaf, or is it a real constraint?
  - anthonygd 2y ago
    There fundamentally is going to be conflict in any system of checks and balances. Neither the SCOTUS nor POTUS get to unilaterally decide the limits. Trump hasn't been following convention, but that doesn't mean he's wrong. We also can't just assume he's right. Having the 3 branches hash out a balance is perfectly reasonable and confirms the system is working as intended.
NickC25 2y ago
Project 2025 is the blueprint for this. JD Vance is also on TV all the time basically ignoring the most basic constitutional provisions, and Trump's pimp-daddy Musk is also ignoring the courts. This is a trend.
kergonath 2y ago
See here, for example: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/09/us/politics/vance-trump-federal-courts-executive-order.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/09/us/politics/vance-trump-f... It’s one of the latest examples. In this case it’s amplified by Vance, but he’s been saying that for quite a while now, with his ideas of presidential immunity. And it’s all there in Project 2025.