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Is there any legal way to remove the leeches from the system? Obviously murdering healthcare CEOs and shareholders isn’t legal, and I wouldn’t endorse that met

Is there any legal way to remove the leeches from the system? Obviously murdering healthcare CEOs and shareholders isn’t legal, and I wouldn’t endorse that method. Are there alternatives?

vkou 2y ago
Yes, the legal way is to change the laws. Unfortunately that is rolling a boulder uphill, and even if you fire all of Congress (on this issue, you'd need to get rid of all the Republicans and at least a third of the Democrats) and replace it with people who give a crap, all it takes is one executive to stop enforcing the rules.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > you'd need to get rid of all the Republicans and at least a third of the Democrats And then most voters: “71% of U.S. adults consider the quality of healthcare they receive to be excellent or good, and 65% say the same of their own coverage. There has been little deviation in these readings since 2001” [1]. [1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/654044/view-healthcare-quality-declines-year-low.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/654044/view-healthcare-quality-...
  - skyyler 2y ago
    "19% -- say they are satisfied with its cost" From your link.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    Quality of healthcare and quality of insurance experience are not the same statistic. I'm very satisfied with my healthcare. I am not satisfied with my insurer.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > Quality of healthcare and quality of insurance experience are not the same statistic The question was specifically about “the quality of healthcare you receive/your healthcare coverage.” Coverage doesn’t cover the insurer on cost, but it does on claims denials. Most Americans like their coverage. If you want to reform the system, you have to start with that fact and convince them they aren’t risking what they have unnecessarily.
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        > the quality of healthcare you receive/your healthcare coverage But that's two different things. If you put me in a giant mansion with a $100k/month mortgage, I will be quite satisified with my house. Very briefly.
      - skyyler 2y ago
        >Most Americans like their coverage Even more Americans (81%!) are unhappy with the cost of their coverage.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        Sure. We want the same system but cheaper. That’s an important difference for someone advocating to scrap the system to make it cheaper. We want those lower costs. But loss aversion marries us to the good enough.
        skyyler 2y ago
        The same system but cheaper is not the same system. There are leeches that need to be removed from the system.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > same system but cheaper is not the same system Correct. You've identified why this debate has been frozen in American politics for decades. One man's leech is another's adored Cadillac insurance policy, trusted provider or prescribed placebo. Healthcare reform keeps dying on the rocks of conspiracy theories about the Congress of whatnot. The problem is surfacing a solution the electorate trusts and endorses.

Is there any legal way to remove the leeches from the system? Obviously murdering healthcare CEOs and shareholders isn’t legal, and I wouldn’t endorse that method. Are there alternatives?

vkou 2y ago

Yes, the legal way is to change the laws. Unfortunately that is rolling a boulder uphill, and even if you fire all of Congress (on this issue, you'd need to get rid of all the Republicans and at least a third of the Democrats) and replace it with people who give a crap, all it takes is one executive to stop enforcing the rules.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> you'd need to get rid of all the Republicans and at least a third of the Democrats And then most voters: “71% of U.S. adults consider the quality of healthcare they receive to be excellent or good, and 65% say the same of their own coverage. There has been little deviation in these readings since 2001” [1]. [1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/654044/view-healthcare-quality-declines-year-low.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/654044/view-healthcare-quality-...
- skyyler 2y ago
  "19% -- say they are satisfied with its cost" From your link.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  Quality of healthcare and quality of insurance experience are not the same statistic. I'm very satisfied with my healthcare. I am not satisfied with my insurer.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Quality of healthcare and quality of insurance experience are not the same statistic The question was specifically about “the quality of healthcare you receive/your healthcare coverage.” Coverage doesn’t cover the insurer on cost, but it does on claims denials. Most Americans like their coverage. If you want to reform the system, you have to start with that fact and convince them they aren’t risking what they have unnecessarily.
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      > the quality of healthcare you receive/your healthcare coverage But that's two different things. If you put me in a giant mansion with a $100k/month mortgage, I will be quite satisified with my house. Very briefly.
    - skyyler 2y ago
      >Most Americans like their coverage Even more Americans (81%!) are unhappy with the cost of their coverage.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        Sure. We want the same system but cheaper. That’s an important difference for someone advocating to scrap the system to make it cheaper. We want those lower costs. But loss aversion marries us to the good enough.
        skyyler 2y ago
        The same system but cheaper is not the same system. There are leeches that need to be removed from the system.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > same system but cheaper is not the same system Correct. You've identified why this debate has been frozen in American politics for decades. One man's leech is another's adored Cadillac insurance policy, trusted provider or prescribed placebo. Healthcare reform keeps dying on the rocks of conspiracy theories about the Congress of whatnot. The problem is surfacing a solution the electorate trusts and endorses.