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While this may be true it is important to note that the corollary is not necessarily true. That is to say, not having good linux skills doesn't make you bad dev

While this may be true it is important to note that the corollary is not necessarily true. That is to say, not having good linux skills doesn't make you bad developer. I've found plenty of people who don't know linux very well and are fantastic developers. Personally, I'm having trouble living without grep (work is easier on a windows machine).

sciurus 14y ago
I'm sure you know, but there are many ways to get GNU grep or similar programs running on Windows. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/87350/what-are-good-grep-tool-for-windows http://stackoverflow.com/questions/87350/what-are-good-grep-...
- dredmorbius 14y ago
  Sure, there are ways to get various Linux-like tools on Windows, or Mac. But inevitably -- and I've been using Windows offerings since the mid 1990s and Mac for the past 6-7 years -- these are nowhere near as complete as what you'll find in native Linux, they're missing key bits, polish and bugs are less than optimal, host integration isn't what it is in Linux, host features lack key Linux bits (especially /proc and /sys, and all that they enable), and if you want full coverage, you'll almost always end up with several different toolsets none of which offer quite what I'm looking for. And you're missing soup-to-nuts, all-encompassing, sane, bug-reporting-integrated package management. On other systems, I manage bits of my Linux-like environment through better or worse (Cygwin -- don't get me started -- but look at apt-cygwin) package management. But most of my OS is outside of that. Inside Debian, I might manage a very small handful of non-packaged software items, mostly browser plugins. Oh, and lately Ruby gems, which are their own brand of hell, but whatever. I first switched to Linux when I realized that I was spending more and more of my time trying to make Windows NT look like what I got out of the box with a $30 Linux distro CD (bundled with a book). Other than a few distro hops (last to Debian, in the late 1990s, though I continue to evaluate / work with others), I've never looked back.
AkThhhpppt 14y ago
What's preventing you running a VM to let you use it (and all the other helpful bits)?
drivingmenuts 14y ago
Whenever I get stuck with a Windows box, one of the first things I do is load cygwin. I even have it on a Win-VM running in OS X. It's not a perfect solution, but it works well enough that I can live with it (which is rare).
DannoHung 14y ago
try ack it's http://betterthangrep.com/ http://betterthangrep.com/
hntester123 14y ago
Somewhat similar to Cygwin is UWin. Tried it recently. http://google.com/search?hl=en&q=uwin http://google.com/search?hl=en&q=uwin It was created by David Korn, author of the Korn shell (ksh). You can find the UWin site link some hits down the Google results page. (First link is for its Wikipedia entry, then there are some unrelated hits for the same string "UWin", then the actual site).

sciurus 14y ago

I'm sure you know, but there are many ways to get GNU grep or similar programs running on Windows. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/87350/what-are-good-grep-tool-for-windows http://stackoverflow.com/questions/87350/what-are-good-grep-...

dredmorbius 14y ago
Sure, there are ways to get various Linux-like tools on Windows, or Mac. But inevitably -- and I've been using Windows offerings since the mid 1990s and Mac for the past 6-7 years -- these are nowhere near as complete as what you'll find in native Linux, they're missing key bits, polish and bugs are less than optimal, host integration isn't what it is in Linux, host features lack key Linux bits (especially /proc and /sys, and all that they enable), and if you want full coverage, you'll almost always end up with several different toolsets none of which offer quite what I'm looking for. And you're missing soup-to-nuts, all-encompassing, sane, bug-reporting-integrated package management. On other systems, I manage bits of my Linux-like environment through better or worse (Cygwin -- don't get me started -- but look at apt-cygwin) package management. But most of my OS is outside of that. Inside Debian, I might manage a very small handful of non-packaged software items, mostly browser plugins. Oh, and lately Ruby gems, which are their own brand of hell, but whatever. I first switched to Linux when I realized that I was spending more and more of my time trying to make Windows NT look like what I got out of the box with a $30 Linux distro CD (bundled with a book). Other than a few distro hops (last to Debian, in the late 1990s, though I continue to evaluate / work with others), I've never looked back.

AkThhhpppt 14y ago

What's preventing you running a VM to let you use it (and all the other helpful bits)?

drivingmenuts 14y ago

Whenever I get stuck with a Windows box, one of the first things I do is load cygwin. I even have it on a Win-VM running in OS X. It's not a perfect solution, but it works well enough that I can live with it (which is rare).

DannoHung 14y ago

try ack it's http://betterthangrep.com/ http://betterthangrep.com/

hntester123 14y ago

Somewhat similar to Cygwin is UWin. Tried it recently. http://google.com/search?hl=en&q=uwin http://google.com/search?hl=en&q=uwin It was created by David Korn, author of the Korn shell (ksh). You can find the UWin site link some hits down the Google results page. (First link is for its Wikipedia entry, then there are some unrelated hits for the same string "UWin", then the actual site).