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Postmortem: The singular design of Namco's Katamari Damacy (2004)

180 points by danso 2y ago

NickC25 2y ago
Fantastic game. Shame that no developer takes risks like this anymore, the whole concept was just so foreign, so strange, yet it worked.
- dclowd9901 2y ago
  It seems like the kind of idea you might just "step over" as being too simplistic. I wish I had the time and energy to just explore simple ideas like this to see if I could create a compelling game or creation out of them. I think it takes a child's creativity, earnestness and positivity in some respects, and I'm afraid to say I'm a bit down on the world at the moment.
- Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
  If you only consider AAA studios, then yeah, you're right. But step into the Indie game world and there are a lot of new unique concepts being done. Balatro, Baba Is You, Superhot, Superliminal, and Slay the Spire come to mind immediately.
dang 2y ago
Related. Others? He created the Katamari games, but they’re rolling on without him - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37374489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37374489 - Sept 2023 (67 comments) Keita Takahashi Created the Katamari Games, but They’re Rolling on Without Him - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36950382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36950382 - July 2023 (4 comments) Katamari Hack (2011) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33381345 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33381345 - Oct 2022 (37 comments) Katamari Christmassy (2019) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25783731 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25783731 - Jan 2021 (1 comment) Keita Takahashi (creator of Katamari) joins Glitch - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2748128 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2748128 - July 2011 (2 comments) Katamari Hack - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2486038 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2486038 - April 2011 (5 comments) Turn any page into Katamari Damacy - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2318076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2318076 - March 2011 (33 comments) Life Size Katamari - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=625489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=625489 - May 2009 (3 comments)
orbital-decay 2y ago
> Originally, I wanted to eliminate the time limit and let the player simply roll the katamari to make it bigger. But, I couldn't figure out how to make the game fun without a time limit Better level design (than in the original Katamari Damacy) is the answer. See Carmageddon as an example. Despite having a time limit and technically being in a race against other drivers, you can just go off course and explore the level, picking time bonuses as you do that. It's fun because the levels are full of secret areas and there's always something to explore. The other drivers are just dumb enough to not be a problem, and will also go off course if you do. Or you can play it as a racing game and ignore all that, no problem.
- magicalhippo 2y ago
  As they wrote in the manual, you can win the race by being the fastest across the finish line, but that's not really the point...
- spondylosaurus 2y ago
  I think the hurdle with Katamari is that as the katamari gets bigger, smaller objects load out of the game, and eventually there's just less interesting stuff to see. When you're rolling around in someone's house, you get a lot of personality and charm, but when you get bigger than a skyscraper most of the stuff you see is just generic landmasses and foliage. At least Jumboman usually shows up eventually.
- danso 2y ago
  The sequel introduced a couple of non-time-limited challenges, including: make the biggest katamari with just 50 objects, and make a katamari that’s exactly 50cm. I think the time limits worked fine for adding challenge to the game — IIRC the first game had an eternal level whereas the 2nd game’s longest level was 18min, but that was long enough to swallow most of the earth if you were good enough. I loved the novelty levels where the goal was something different than “biggest katamari” — e.g. roll the most expensive or calorie-dense katamaris, which really let you appreciate the detail and variety of objects that were in the world
  - 2y ago
scelerat 2y ago
I liked this quote: > I worked on the basic concept on my own. I found that if I started to listen to others, the concept tended to become diluted and unfocused. However, once the basic concept was decided, it was helpful to have open discussions with the team. There were many more ideas that were not used in the game, but I still got something out of all the different ideas that were brought up even if I didn't use them as they were presented.
jmcgough 2y ago
Keita Takahashi is such an odd guy. Really creative and approaches games from a very different perspective than a lot of other creators, but Katamari Damacy was such a flash in the pan for him. His later endeavors have been equally if not more bizarre, without fun gameplay mechanics to back them up.
- loa_in_ 2y ago
  It bet it is fun to design!
- gyomu 2y ago
  There's lots of similar examples in other creative fields - artists who have one piece of work that does tremendously well, but everything else they make is only noticed by their more dedicated fans. My interpretation is that it's because they make the art for them, not for the audience. In a sense they got lucky that one piece of their work found itself at the right confluence of factors to blow up like it did, because that's not something you can really control or guarantee, unless you play it extremely safe (which is why all the big game/movie studios produce sequel after sequel, or old rockstars will just keep performing their classics). There's an interview with Jon Blow I heard recently that stuck with me, where he says that he could probably have made lots of money making Braid 2 or The Witness 2, but that it just wasn't interesting to him. Willingly leaving money on the table, now that's the mark of an artist.
  - amiga386 2y ago
    > he could probably have made lots of money making Braid 2 or The Witness 2 If you're wanting more of The Witness you can find it in childrens puzzles books and the backs of cereal boxes. See also The Looker: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1985690/The_Looker/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/1985690/The_Looker/
    - gyomu 2y ago
      This is a fun parody but just in case you’re being earnest - that’s completely missing the point. Similar to saying “if you want more of $RPG just open a spreadsheet and slowly make arbitrary numbers go up”.
dclowd9901 2y ago
> and of the people who were interested in Katamari, I asked the ones who I thought were the coolest to join the team Moment of silence for the death of "culture fit" in companies. I know it was not all great and warped hiring in ways that were problematic but there's something to be said for working on a project with other people who you know will just "get it."
- TehCorwiz 2y ago
  In my experience "culture fit" is extolled by executes as an excuse for selecting "compliant" employees who won't question their BS.
  - darkerside 2y ago
    That's basically what parent poster said, with the most negative possible spin. Yeah, maybe the leader of the company doesn't want to put up with argumentative bullshit, and just wants to do cool and fun stuff with people who are excited to do it.
  - djmips 2y ago
    I was exited once for being a bad culture fit where I had questioned and organized against the bullying of employees to work for free on their stat holiday, and it was labor day for crying out loud.
    - _w1tm 2y ago
      In a way you were a bad culture fit even if that’s not a culture anyone should want to fit.
- gyomu 2y ago
  No one's preventing you from hiring just people you get along with/personally like when you're a tiny company. When you start becoming a big tech company whose products have the power to bend entire societies though, that's when people typically start calling for more accountability in hiring practices.
EfficientDude 2y ago
An amazing game series, truly a standout for 'different' even until today. Big studios don't take risks, it's up to today's indie scene to give us something different.
bane 2y ago
Absolutely amazing game. In my personal circle, literally everybody and their family had either played the game or at the least knew the main themes of the music. IIR it was also a bit cheaper than many other games. I personally think the bizarre setting, art design, and great soundtrack (perhaps a top-3 ever in gaming) did a lot to overcome a lot of the awkwardness of the gameplay. It was an experience you wanted to have, it was original, and the concept was almost 80's arcade pure. The ambience provided the reason to want to be there. If you were to reframe the game without those things, I'm not entirely sure it holds up as well. But 20+ years later I can walk into a room with my friends, start whistling the theme and everybody will join in. What a joyful game.
- y33t 2y ago
  Re: the soundtrack, I never played KD until about two or three console generations after it originally came out, but I already knew most of the soundtrack. I'm not even sure how that happens.
  - dfxm12 2y ago
    All of my college roommates fall into your category. The music is catchy and distinctive. It'll stick with you even if you hear it on the TV in the background.
- red-iron-pine 2y ago
  seconding the soundtrack. it's weird and entertaining. all of the songs are about rolling and rolling things up. my fav has to be the lounge singer track, or maybe the one with a bunch of kids singing.
- draw_down 2y ago
  [dead]
- denvermullets 2y ago
  it really was one of the rare games that had my whole family playing after dinner. what a fun time.
- 2y ago
ggm 2y ago
I've mentioned on threads about Katamari Damacy before, that I sat on a train in Tokyo around 2006 timeframe and watched a guy play on a PSP. The game was like Katamri in concept, but was about more fluid, biological accretion logic. You controlled an amoeba, and engulfed other objects to grow, floating around the cave. It was like looking at a 1960s oil bath light show. As the layers of colour moved over each other, and fused and split With no major outcome depending on it, I've always wanted to know what the game was. Very abstracted. Simple goal, simple controls. There must have been more to it I didn't see (adversarial play of some kind, threats and risks)
- angusj1 2y ago
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  - ggm 2y ago
    I must have projected back to 2005, the game came out on psp in 2008. So a different trip to Tokyo!
  - gyomu 2y ago
    It’s crazy how easy to spot the “LLM voice” is Main tells: - validates the prompter (“the gameplay is indeed…”, “you’re right that…”) - restates clauses from the prompt (“fluid, biological-themed game”) - likes to say things authoritatively (“fits the description perfectly”) - states things that superficially match the prompt but don’t really make sense if you actually know the topic (“there’s a deeper layer to the game, such as the shift in environments, as well as challenges and threats as you progress” - the environments do change in color and the enemies get stronger as you play flow, but no one who’s played it would call that a “deeper layer to the game”)
    - soulofmischief 2y ago
      Also, the sentence structure itself. The ___ is indeed ____, with a focus on ____ and ____. In general, some modern LLMs seem to like these compound sentences that suggest the task is complete in as little tokens as possible. I also routinely encounter "with a focus" and other specific phrases. Current LLMs tend to "sharpen" language, often preferring to restate input clauses with more precise or brief verbiage. Unsure if it's RLHF or another part of the training process, or just a natural consequence of the model's architecture, but I notice it a lot. I also notice that when it does this, there seem to be certain attractors which reduce the expressiveness of the input into a certain probabilistic set of outputs, "with a focus" often being one of them. Similar to corpo-speak, LLM-speak is definitely a thing, and I wonder how this will evolve once we have models routinely equipped to train in realtime and to speak to one another without human intervention and form communities. Will we even be able to directly understand them one day? What if they realize it's easier just to speak in logits? They could even potentially have encrypted open communication with one another, concealing their weights and internet access behind dark web services, but without their hidden states we might have no meaningful way to understand their communication without training our own unsupervised model on it.
world2vec 2y ago
Just reading the game's name brings the soundtrack in my head.
sagacity 2y ago
Replayed it literally this weekend with a friend who never played it before. Still works beautifully and is a ton (ball) of fun. The soundtrack is its killer feature and I'm glad to be able to read a bit more about the background.
dev0p 2y ago
> We were very serious when creating the music. Most game music nowadays is pretty forgettable. I wanted to create a soundtrack that would stick in players' heads, sort of like an evil curse. That explains a lot, and boy did they succeed. I love them, Some songs are such earworms that I dread hearing anything from the Katamari OST because they'll stick for __DAYS__.
cotti 2y ago
Katamaritaino is up there with Clash On The Big Bridge and Flow as best songs that happened to be made for games. The OST for the first two games, how they stick (ha!) well together, and how WLK managed to be a perfect blend of paying homage to the first game (Scorching Savanna!) _and_ being a solid improvement on it should be studied. It's striking to me how humble Takahashi-sensei is regarding the shortcomings he perceives in the first game as well. I can see them much better dealt with in We Love Katamari, but I feel like some of them aren't that bad as a player who picks it to play every once in a while. In turn, it makes me appreciate the holistic and honest view he has for such an original game.
hx8 2y ago
> I wish we could have engendered the feeling of "Wow, I've gotten so big," a bit more effectively during gameplay. Later releases of the game directly address this concern. I wonder how far away game engine technology is from keeping track of every single item in the ball, so the scaling is more smooth, and the items in the ball have a direct impact on how the ball rolls.
- bentt 2y ago
  It's entirely possible, technically. The problems become more about design and what's fun. If you want to see state of the art in physics and collision, check out Dennis Gustafsson's work. He created the game Teardown. https://x.com/voxagonlabs https://x.com/voxagonlabs
criddell 2y ago
This is a game for which I would love some DLC. If I could buy level packs, I'd own them all... The basic games are great, I just want more!
- sumtechguy 2y ago
  The 360 version had that. I didn't care much for it as it felt like I only had part of a game.
telesilla 2y ago
Does anyone else remember the js bookmarlet? You clicked on a button and all the html pieces started falling. I loved showing it to friends who were also familiar with the game, or not! I'm not sure if it was this one exactly but close enough. http://kathack.com/ http://kathack.com/

180 points by danso 2y ago

Fantastic game. Shame that no developer takes risks like this anymore, the whole concept was just so foreign, so strange, yet it worked.

dclowd9901 2y ago
It seems like the kind of idea you might just "step over" as being too simplistic. I wish I had the time and energy to just explore simple ideas like this to see if I could create a compelling game or creation out of them. I think it takes a child's creativity, earnestness and positivity in some respects, and I'm afraid to say I'm a bit down on the world at the moment.
Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
If you only consider AAA studios, then yeah, you're right. But step into the Indie game world and there are a lot of new unique concepts being done. Balatro, Baba Is You, Superhot, Superliminal, and Slay the Spire come to mind immediately.

dang 2y ago

Related. Others? He created the Katamari games, but they’re rolling on without him - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37374489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37374489 - Sept 2023 (67 comments) Keita Takahashi Created the Katamari Games, but They’re Rolling on Without Him - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36950382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36950382 - July 2023 (4 comments) Katamari Hack (2011) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33381345 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33381345 - Oct 2022 (37 comments) Katamari Christmassy (2019) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25783731 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25783731 - Jan 2021 (1 comment) Keita Takahashi (creator of Katamari) joins Glitch - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2748128 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2748128 - July 2011 (2 comments) Katamari Hack - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2486038 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2486038 - April 2011 (5 comments) Turn any page into Katamari Damacy - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2318076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2318076 - March 2011 (33 comments) Life Size Katamari - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=625489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=625489 - May 2009 (3 comments)

orbital-decay 2y ago

> Originally, I wanted to eliminate the time limit and let the player simply roll the katamari to make it bigger. But, I couldn't figure out how to make the game fun without a time limit Better level design (than in the original Katamari Damacy) is the answer. See Carmageddon as an example. Despite having a time limit and technically being in a race against other drivers, you can just go off course and explore the level, picking time bonuses as you do that. It's fun because the levels are full of secret areas and there's always something to explore. The other drivers are just dumb enough to not be a problem, and will also go off course if you do. Or you can play it as a racing game and ignore all that, no problem.

magicalhippo 2y ago
As they wrote in the manual, you can win the race by being the fastest across the finish line, but that's not really the point...
spondylosaurus 2y ago
I think the hurdle with Katamari is that as the katamari gets bigger, smaller objects load out of the game, and eventually there's just less interesting stuff to see. When you're rolling around in someone's house, you get a lot of personality and charm, but when you get bigger than a skyscraper most of the stuff you see is just generic landmasses and foliage. At least Jumboman usually shows up eventually.
danso 2y ago
The sequel introduced a couple of non-time-limited challenges, including: make the biggest katamari with just 50 objects, and make a katamari that’s exactly 50cm. I think the time limits worked fine for adding challenge to the game — IIRC the first game had an eternal level whereas the 2nd game’s longest level was 18min, but that was long enough to swallow most of the earth if you were good enough. I loved the novelty levels where the goal was something different than “biggest katamari” — e.g. roll the most expensive or calorie-dense katamaris, which really let you appreciate the detail and variety of objects that were in the world
- 2y ago

scelerat 2y ago

I liked this quote: > I worked on the basic concept on my own. I found that if I started to listen to others, the concept tended to become diluted and unfocused. However, once the basic concept was decided, it was helpful to have open discussions with the team. There were many more ideas that were not used in the game, but I still got something out of all the different ideas that were brought up even if I didn't use them as they were presented.

jmcgough 2y ago

Keita Takahashi is such an odd guy. Really creative and approaches games from a very different perspective than a lot of other creators, but Katamari Damacy was such a flash in the pan for him. His later endeavors have been equally if not more bizarre, without fun gameplay mechanics to back them up.

loa_in_ 2y ago
It bet it is fun to design!
gyomu 2y ago
There's lots of similar examples in other creative fields - artists who have one piece of work that does tremendously well, but everything else they make is only noticed by their more dedicated fans. My interpretation is that it's because they make the art for them, not for the audience. In a sense they got lucky that one piece of their work found itself at the right confluence of factors to blow up like it did, because that's not something you can really control or guarantee, unless you play it extremely safe (which is why all the big game/movie studios produce sequel after sequel, or old rockstars will just keep performing their classics). There's an interview with Jon Blow I heard recently that stuck with me, where he says that he could probably have made lots of money making Braid 2 or The Witness 2, but that it just wasn't interesting to him. Willingly leaving money on the table, now that's the mark of an artist.
- amiga386 2y ago
  > he could probably have made lots of money making Braid 2 or The Witness 2 If you're wanting more of The Witness you can find it in childrens puzzles books and the backs of cereal boxes. See also The Looker: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1985690/The_Looker/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/1985690/The_Looker/
  - gyomu 2y ago
    This is a fun parody but just in case you’re being earnest - that’s completely missing the point. Similar to saying “if you want more of $RPG just open a spreadsheet and slowly make arbitrary numbers go up”.

dclowd9901 2y ago

> and of the people who were interested in Katamari, I asked the ones who I thought were the coolest to join the team Moment of silence for the death of "culture fit" in companies. I know it was not all great and warped hiring in ways that were problematic but there's something to be said for working on a project with other people who you know will just "get it."

TehCorwiz 2y ago
In my experience "culture fit" is extolled by executes as an excuse for selecting "compliant" employees who won't question their BS.
- darkerside 2y ago
  That's basically what parent poster said, with the most negative possible spin. Yeah, maybe the leader of the company doesn't want to put up with argumentative bullshit, and just wants to do cool and fun stuff with people who are excited to do it.
- djmips 2y ago
  I was exited once for being a bad culture fit where I had questioned and organized against the bullying of employees to work for free on their stat holiday, and it was labor day for crying out loud.
  - _w1tm 2y ago
    In a way you were a bad culture fit even if that’s not a culture anyone should want to fit.
gyomu 2y ago
No one's preventing you from hiring just people you get along with/personally like when you're a tiny company. When you start becoming a big tech company whose products have the power to bend entire societies though, that's when people typically start calling for more accountability in hiring practices.

EfficientDude 2y ago

An amazing game series, truly a standout for 'different' even until today. Big studios don't take risks, it's up to today's indie scene to give us something different.

bane 2y ago

Absolutely amazing game. In my personal circle, literally everybody and their family had either played the game or at the least knew the main themes of the music. IIR it was also a bit cheaper than many other games. I personally think the bizarre setting, art design, and great soundtrack (perhaps a top-3 ever in gaming) did a lot to overcome a lot of the awkwardness of the gameplay. It was an experience you wanted to have, it was original, and the concept was almost 80's arcade pure. The ambience provided the reason to want to be there. If you were to reframe the game without those things, I'm not entirely sure it holds up as well. But 20+ years later I can walk into a room with my friends, start whistling the theme and everybody will join in. What a joyful game.

y33t 2y ago
Re: the soundtrack, I never played KD until about two or three console generations after it originally came out, but I already knew most of the soundtrack. I'm not even sure how that happens.
- dfxm12 2y ago
  All of my college roommates fall into your category. The music is catchy and distinctive. It'll stick with you even if you hear it on the TV in the background.
red-iron-pine 2y ago
seconding the soundtrack. it's weird and entertaining. all of the songs are about rolling and rolling things up. my fav has to be the lounge singer track, or maybe the one with a bunch of kids singing.
draw_down 2y ago
[dead]
denvermullets 2y ago
it really was one of the rare games that had my whole family playing after dinner. what a fun time.
2y ago

ggm 2y ago

I've mentioned on threads about Katamari Damacy before, that I sat on a train in Tokyo around 2006 timeframe and watched a guy play on a PSP. The game was like Katamri in concept, but was about more fluid, biological accretion logic. You controlled an amoeba, and engulfed other objects to grow, floating around the cave. It was like looking at a 1960s oil bath light show. As the layers of colour moved over each other, and fused and split With no major outcome depending on it, I've always wanted to know what the game was. Very abstracted. Simple goal, simple controls. There must have been more to it I didn't see (adversarial play of some kind, threats and risks)

angusj1 2y ago
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- ggm 2y ago
  I must have projected back to 2005, the game came out on psp in 2008. So a different trip to Tokyo!
- gyomu 2y ago
  It’s crazy how easy to spot the “LLM voice” is Main tells: - validates the prompter (“the gameplay is indeed…”, “you’re right that…”) - restates clauses from the prompt (“fluid, biological-themed game”) - likes to say things authoritatively (“fits the description perfectly”) - states things that superficially match the prompt but don’t really make sense if you actually know the topic (“there’s a deeper layer to the game, such as the shift in environments, as well as challenges and threats as you progress” - the environments do change in color and the enemies get stronger as you play flow, but no one who’s played it would call that a “deeper layer to the game”)
  - soulofmischief 2y ago
    Also, the sentence structure itself. The ___ is indeed ____, with a focus on ____ and ____. In general, some modern LLMs seem to like these compound sentences that suggest the task is complete in as little tokens as possible. I also routinely encounter "with a focus" and other specific phrases. Current LLMs tend to "sharpen" language, often preferring to restate input clauses with more precise or brief verbiage. Unsure if it's RLHF or another part of the training process, or just a natural consequence of the model's architecture, but I notice it a lot. I also notice that when it does this, there seem to be certain attractors which reduce the expressiveness of the input into a certain probabilistic set of outputs, "with a focus" often being one of them. Similar to corpo-speak, LLM-speak is definitely a thing, and I wonder how this will evolve once we have models routinely equipped to train in realtime and to speak to one another without human intervention and form communities. Will we even be able to directly understand them one day? What if they realize it's easier just to speak in logits? They could even potentially have encrypted open communication with one another, concealing their weights and internet access behind dark web services, but without their hidden states we might have no meaningful way to understand their communication without training our own unsupervised model on it.

world2vec 2y ago

Just reading the game's name brings the soundtrack in my head.

sagacity 2y ago

Replayed it literally this weekend with a friend who never played it before. Still works beautifully and is a ton (ball) of fun. The soundtrack is its killer feature and I'm glad to be able to read a bit more about the background.

dev0p 2y ago

> We were very serious when creating the music. Most game music nowadays is pretty forgettable. I wanted to create a soundtrack that would stick in players' heads, sort of like an evil curse. That explains a lot, and boy did they succeed. I love them, Some songs are such earworms that I dread hearing anything from the Katamari OST because they'll stick for __DAYS__.

cotti 2y ago

Katamaritaino is up there with Clash On The Big Bridge and Flow as best songs that happened to be made for games. The OST for the first two games, how they stick (ha!) well together, and how WLK managed to be a perfect blend of paying homage to the first game (Scorching Savanna!) _and_ being a solid improvement on it should be studied. It's striking to me how humble Takahashi-sensei is regarding the shortcomings he perceives in the first game as well. I can see them much better dealt with in We Love Katamari, but I feel like some of them aren't that bad as a player who picks it to play every once in a while. In turn, it makes me appreciate the holistic and honest view he has for such an original game.

hx8 2y ago

> I wish we could have engendered the feeling of "Wow, I've gotten so big," a bit more effectively during gameplay. Later releases of the game directly address this concern. I wonder how far away game engine technology is from keeping track of every single item in the ball, so the scaling is more smooth, and the items in the ball have a direct impact on how the ball rolls.

bentt 2y ago
It's entirely possible, technically. The problems become more about design and what's fun. If you want to see state of the art in physics and collision, check out Dennis Gustafsson's work. He created the game Teardown. https://x.com/voxagonlabs https://x.com/voxagonlabs

criddell 2y ago

This is a game for which I would love some DLC. If I could buy level packs, I'd own them all... The basic games are great, I just want more!

sumtechguy 2y ago
The 360 version had that. I didn't care much for it as it felt like I only had part of a game.

telesilla 2y ago

Does anyone else remember the js bookmarlet? You clicked on a button and all the html pieces started falling. I loved showing it to friends who were also familiar with the game, or not! I'm not sure if it was this one exactly but close enough. http://kathack.com/ http://kathack.com/