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Shopify takes down Ye website selling swastika shirts after Super Bowl ad
- grouchomarx 2y ago“The moment we realized this was not actually a real commerce practice, they weren’t actually engaging in authentic commerce, we pulled it down,” Incredible quote
- FirmwareBurner 2y agoCan someone maliciously work around this by saying they're selling merch with Hindu symbolisms?
- riffic 2y agowhy would you even want to walk around wearing this?
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- croisillon 2y agoto ensure DOGE doesn't fire you?
- UncleEntity 2y agoBack when I was in the reserves I was hanging out with my Navajo buddy in a bar, both of us in uniform, when these two swastika wearing idiots walked in. Pretty amazed there wasn't a bar fight by the amount of shit I was talking. I just thought they wanted attention so was happy to oblige. Thing is, I will die for their right to free speech but I don't have to like what they say nor quench my right to free speech. Plus, when you're walking around with an 82nd Airborne combat patch and a Combat Infantry Badge you get to talk a lot of shit.
- willio58 2y agoI doubt it considering the flurry of pro-Hitler tweets Kanye put out over the past few days (before getting banned from Twitter)
- nemomarx 2y agoif you're using the Hindu one, sure? there's different traditional designs for it.
- mvdtnz 2y agoThe site was removed because it wasn't engaging in authentic commerce.
- atoav 2y agoYeah, Neonazis who know they are lying do that constantly.
- ZeWaka 2y agoThat's a different symbol, however.
- nelblu 2y agoThe Hindu swastika is generally red in colour, has serif like font and tilted by 45° (compared to the generally accepted Nazi swastika). I'm sure someone can use it maliciously but as someone who grew up looking at Hindu swastika pretty much everywhere, and much later in my life saw the Nazi swastika, at first glance, I didn't really think they were identical.
- ipsum2 2y agoSome people can't tell the difference: https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Bay-Area-summer-camp-abruptly-canceled-17231456.php https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Bay-Area-summer-camp-... > A California summer camp tucked away in a woodsy pocket of the Silicon Valley abruptly canceled all summer sessions after several staff members quit over a controversy around a swastika symbol on one of the buildings. > The camp administration explained in its letter that the house had three tiles, each about 12-by-12 inches, with Buddhist swastikas and a lotus embedded in them. When the home was constructed, the symbol would have been considered good luck.
- nelblu 2y agoI'm sure some can't. I didn't mean to say that, I was just telling how I perceived it. In fact, I warn my Hindu friends against using the Hindu swastika on their cars or on their houses here in the West, just so that they don't confuse people here.
- kstrauser 2y agoI'm very sympathetic to both groups here. 1. It's an old symbol. Buddhists had it first, and I don't blame them for wanting to hang onto it. 2. Regardless of context, I don't want a picture of me on the Internet playing and having fun in front of a swastika. By the time you get to the part of the explanation that would show you're not actually a neo-Nazi, people will have stopped listening (if they ever did in the first place). I don't think there are any unreasonable people in that story. It's just an awful situation.
- darth_avocado 2y agoHindu swastika isn’t tilted 45 degrees. You probably proved that even someone who has seen them and understands differences, can still get it wrong.
- sumeno 2y agoYou can work around this by just actually selling swastika shirts instead of pretending to
- FirmwareBurner 2y agoMajor e-commerce platforms clearly won't allow that.
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- kylehotchkiss 2y agoThat’s not something people would wear on a shirt; I think? It’s a symbol you’d see drawn onto things as a sort of blessing with red tika or a decoration on a temple. (Source: former partner was Hindu)
- dathinab 2y agoHindu symbols are mirrored and in generally visually in a different context. Through there are some funny extra bad coincidence like the symbol Japan used in street maps for hospitals(?) until somewhat recently before the Olympics. But in general IRL people tend to not humor someone trying to bypass rules by definition nitpicking if their intend is very clear. I mean there is a reason law tends to focus on outcome, over intend, over exact details of your actions. Through naturally if they need an excuse for their (in-) action then humoring definition nitpicking sometimes does the job.
- tene80i 2y agoShopify President Harley Finkelstein told CNBC’s “Squawk on the Street” Tuesday that the website’s owners “had an entire day” to prove they weren’t violating the company’s policies, “which did not happen.” ... “The moment we realized this was not actually a real commerce practice, they weren’t actually engaging in authentic commerce, we pulled it down,” Finkelstein said. Not "engaging in authentic commerce" sounds like it wasn't taken down because of the swastikas, but because the shirts weren't actually for sale?
- muglug 2y agoMuch easier to get them on a standard technicality than to do anything to arouse the attention of the far-right.
- wyattshacker 2y agoExactly.
- beepbopboopp 2y agoUsing a company run by a Finkelstein to sell Swastika shirts is always a risky strategy Ye.
- bdndndndbve 2y agoHe's totally fine with Nazis, although he will use his identity to deflect criticism.
- ygjb 2y agoAre you surprised? Shopify and Tobi Lütke have strongly defended "freedom of speech" to continue platforming hate groups in the past. They are happy to platform truly awful people as long as they get their cut.
- jeswin 2y agoWhy should "freedom of speech" not be defended? The way to combat hate is by educating people better, instead of banning swastikas or whatever.
- pelagicAustral 2y agoI cant be the only one that reads this and thinks it's peak satire... I understand it's not, I'm just struggling with the cognitive dissonance
- bananapub 2y agothis whole arc is really is the dumbest way for the cozy-for-some post-cold-war world to turn into full blown fascism and kleptocracy, jfc.