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It is also somewhat anti microbial, so it became useful for food preservation. See: kimchi

cnity 2y ago
Though you're right, in kimchi the primary preservative is initially the saltiness and then later the low pH caused by lactobacilli producing lactic acids.
- bobthepanda 2y ago
  I don't dispute that. My understanding is that the introduction of chili allowed a reduction in salt content, which was important in an era where salt was expensive to produce.
  - cnity 2y ago
    I didn't know that, that's really interesting thanks!
cyberax 2y ago
You can make fermented cabbage without any hot peppers. It's common in Slavic cultures.
- deleted 2y ago
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- dunham 2y ago
  I'm guessing it was common in Korea before chilis were brought back from the americas.
  - bobthepanda 2y ago
    my understanding of the development was that chili was used to cut the amount of salt, which wasn't cheap to produce
  - neom 2y ago
    Chilli was introduced to Kimchi during the Imjin War. The Portuguese had brought them to Japan perviously, as far as I've seen all kimchi recipe prior to that is only garlic heavy, I like that style of kimchi better personally.
- ssl-3 2y ago
  It's common all over. Fermented cabbage is also called sauerkraut.
  - bigiain 2y ago
    Now I feel a need to spin up and emulator or something capable of playing Castle Wolfenstein. (Dear god, I'm showing my age there, aren't I?)
    - ssl-3 2y ago
      What, the C64 game? Whatever it is, I'm absolutely certain that it can be launched in a few seconds on archive.org, with no special software requirements besides the JavaScript interpreter that a web browser already has, and that all of this can happen even on your standard-issue pocket supercomputer. (Every couple of years I fire up an Apple ][ version of Oregon Trail on archive.org because even though we had a PC at home way back when, that's the version I remember playing in school. That game is still hard and I'm not sure exactly what it is that it is supposed to teach except that dysentery is evil.)
      - bigiain 2y ago
        > What, the C64 game? Apple][ in my case. Very early 80s, definitely before 83.
jorvi 2y ago
Apparently (some) peppers are anti-inflammatory, which I guess I have to accept the science of, but still disagree with on an empirical level.
ssl-3 2y ago
[citation needed] (My peppers ferment just find using microbes.)
- bobthepanda 2y ago
  https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8042654/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8042654/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4643145/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4643145/ https://www.ijrar.org/papers/IJRAR1944311.pdf https://www.ijrar.org/papers/IJRAR1944311.pdf Antimicrobial doesn't necessarily mean it literally kills everything.

Though you're right, in kimchi the primary preservative is initially the saltiness and then later the low pH caused by lactobacilli producing lactic acids.

bobthepanda 2y ago
I don't dispute that. My understanding is that the introduction of chili allowed a reduction in salt content, which was important in an era where salt was expensive to produce.
- cnity 2y ago
  I didn't know that, that's really interesting thanks!

cyberax 2y ago

You can make fermented cabbage without any hot peppers. It's common in Slavic cultures.

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dunham 2y ago
I'm guessing it was common in Korea before chilis were brought back from the americas.
- bobthepanda 2y ago
  my understanding of the development was that chili was used to cut the amount of salt, which wasn't cheap to produce
- neom 2y ago
  Chilli was introduced to Kimchi during the Imjin War. The Portuguese had brought them to Japan perviously, as far as I've seen all kimchi recipe prior to that is only garlic heavy, I like that style of kimchi better personally.
ssl-3 2y ago
It's common all over. Fermented cabbage is also called sauerkraut.
- bigiain 2y ago
  Now I feel a need to spin up and emulator or something capable of playing Castle Wolfenstein. (Dear god, I'm showing my age there, aren't I?)
  - ssl-3 2y ago
    What, the C64 game? Whatever it is, I'm absolutely certain that it can be launched in a few seconds on archive.org, with no special software requirements besides the JavaScript interpreter that a web browser already has, and that all of this can happen even on your standard-issue pocket supercomputer. (Every couple of years I fire up an Apple ][ version of Oregon Trail on archive.org because even though we had a PC at home way back when, that's the version I remember playing in school. That game is still hard and I'm not sure exactly what it is that it is supposed to teach except that dysentery is evil.)
    - bigiain 2y ago
      > What, the C64 game? Apple][ in my case. Very early 80s, definitely before 83.

jorvi 2y ago

Apparently (some) peppers are anti-inflammatory, which I guess I have to accept the science of, but still disagree with on an empirical level.

ssl-3 2y ago

[citation needed] (My peppers ferment just find using microbes.)

bobthepanda 2y ago
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8042654/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8042654/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4643145/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4643145/ https://www.ijrar.org/papers/IJRAR1944311.pdf https://www.ijrar.org/papers/IJRAR1944311.pdf Antimicrobial doesn't necessarily mean it literally kills everything.