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But why do you need programmers to utilize the AI? The whole point of AI is that it doesn't need an "operator". I'm not talking about GH Copilot or some autoco

But why do you need programmers to utilize the AI? The whole point of AI is that it doesn't need an "operator". I'm not talking about GH Copilot or some autocomplete IDE feature, I'm talking about fully autonomous agents 2-3 years in the future. Just look at the insane rate of progress in the past 2 years. The next two years will be even faster if the past few months are anything to go by.

phito 2y ago
> Just look at the insane rate of progress in the past 2 years. Are we living on the same planet? I haven't seen much real progress since the release of chatGPT. Sure brenchmarks and graphs are going up, but in practice, meh...
- ctoth 2y ago
  I know you're not supposed to feed the trolls but honestly I was so taken aback by this comment, no progress since ChatGPT? I just had to respond. Are you serious? From reasoning models to multimodal. From code assistants which are actually useful to AIs which will literally turn my silly scribbling into full songs which actually sound good! I am completely blind and I used Gemini Live mode to help me change BIOS settings and reinstall Windows when the installer didn't pick up my USB soundcard. I spoke, with my own voice and completed a task with a computer which could only see my webcam stream. This, to me, is a heck of a lot more than ChatGPT was ever able to do in November 2022. If you continue to insist that stuff isn't improving, well, you can in fact do that... But I don't know how much I can trust you in terms of overall situational awareness if you really don't think any improvements have been made at all in the previous two years of massive investment.
johnnyjeans 2y ago
> But why do you need programmers to utilize the AI? For the same reason you need Engineers to operate CAD software.
- lordofgibbons 2y ago
  CAD software can't use other CAD software. AI can use other AI
ArnoVW 2y ago
For the same reason that we still have a finance and legal department even if you can outsource them, and for the same reason that non technical CTO’s don’t exist. You can outsource the execution of a task but only if you know how to formulate your requirements and analyze the situation.
- lordofgibbons 2y ago
  > You can outsource the execution of a task but only if you know how to formulate your requirements and analyze the situation. What fundamental limitation in AI makes you believe reasoning agents in 2 years won't be able to do this?
  - smeeger 2y ago
    no answer. dont hold your breath
SJC_Hacker 2y ago
Because programmers know the right questions to ask AIs have been shown to have confirmation bias depending on what you ask them. They won't question your assumptions on non-obvious subjects. Like "why should this application be written in Python and not C++". You could ask it the opposite, and it will provide ample justification for either position.
- lordofgibbons 2y ago
  > Because programmers know the right questions to ask What fundamental limitation in AI makes you believe reasoning agents won't be able to gather requirements, ask clarifying questions, and make decisions in 2 years?
- smeeger 2y ago
  i believe that this man just asked you what will happen in 2 years, with ai that is more advanced, not about today and todays limitations. this conversation would seem unimaginable to someone just five years ago. you are refusing to confront whats right in front of you

phito 2y ago

> Just look at the insane rate of progress in the past 2 years. Are we living on the same planet? I haven't seen much real progress since the release of chatGPT. Sure brenchmarks and graphs are going up, but in practice, meh...

ctoth 2y ago
I know you're not supposed to feed the trolls but honestly I was so taken aback by this comment, no progress since ChatGPT? I just had to respond. Are you serious? From reasoning models to multimodal. From code assistants which are actually useful to AIs which will literally turn my silly scribbling into full songs which actually sound good! I am completely blind and I used Gemini Live mode to help me change BIOS settings and reinstall Windows when the installer didn't pick up my USB soundcard. I spoke, with my own voice and completed a task with a computer which could only see my webcam stream. This, to me, is a heck of a lot more than ChatGPT was ever able to do in November 2022. If you continue to insist that stuff isn't improving, well, you can in fact do that... But I don't know how much I can trust you in terms of overall situational awareness if you really don't think any improvements have been made at all in the previous two years of massive investment.

johnnyjeans 2y ago

> But why do you need programmers to utilize the AI? For the same reason you need Engineers to operate CAD software.

lordofgibbons 2y ago
CAD software can't use other CAD software. AI can use other AI

ArnoVW 2y ago

For the same reason that we still have a finance and legal department even if you can outsource them, and for the same reason that non technical CTO’s don’t exist. You can outsource the execution of a task but only if you know how to formulate your requirements and analyze the situation.

lordofgibbons 2y ago
> You can outsource the execution of a task but only if you know how to formulate your requirements and analyze the situation. What fundamental limitation in AI makes you believe reasoning agents in 2 years won't be able to do this?
- smeeger 2y ago
  no answer. dont hold your breath

SJC_Hacker 2y ago

Because programmers know the right questions to ask AIs have been shown to have confirmation bias depending on what you ask them. They won't question your assumptions on non-obvious subjects. Like "why should this application be written in Python and not C++". You could ask it the opposite, and it will provide ample justification for either position.

lordofgibbons 2y ago
> Because programmers know the right questions to ask What fundamental limitation in AI makes you believe reasoning agents won't be able to gather requirements, ask clarifying questions, and make decisions in 2 years?
smeeger 2y ago
i believe that this man just asked you what will happen in 2 years, with ai that is more advanced, not about today and todays limitations. this conversation would seem unimaginable to someone just five years ago. you are refusing to confront whats right in front of you