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Zuckerberg, as always, is well known for making excellent business decisions that lead to greater sector buy in. The Metaverse is going great.

by icepat 2y ago

scarface_74 2y ago
On the other hand, Instagram has been called one of the greatest acquisitions of all time only below the Apple/Next acquisition.
- arrowsmith 2y ago
  That was 13 years ago. How are things going more recently?
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    $53 million in 2012 and $62.36 billion in profit last year…
falcor84 2y ago
Really, that's what you're going with, arguing against the business acumen of the world's second richest person, and the only one at that scale with individual majority control over their company? As for the Metaverse, it was always intended as a very long-term play which is very early to be judged, but as an owner of a Quest headset, it's already going great for me.
- Finnucane 2y ago
  The Metaverse is actually still a thing? With, like, people in it and stuff? Who knew?
  - falcor84 2y ago
    Well, we aren't yet "in it", but there's a lot of fun to be had with VR (and especially AR) activities. For example, I love how Eleven Table Tennis allows me to play ping pong with another person online, such that the table and their avatar appear to be in my living room. I don't know if this is "the future", but I'm pretty confident that these sorts of interactions will get more and more common, and I think that Meta is well positioned to take advantage of this. My big vision for this space is the integration of GenAI for creating 3d objects and full spaces in realtime, allowing the equivalent of The Magic School Bus, where a teacher could guide students on a virtual experience that is fully responsive and adjustable on the fly based on student questions. Similarly, playing D&D in such a virtual space could be amazing.
- icepat 2y ago
  Yes? I don't understand what is so outrageous about that. Most business decisions are not made by the CEO, and the ones we know are directly a result of him have been poor.
- etblg 2y ago
  Howard Hughes was one of the biggest business successes of the 20th century, on par with, if not exceeding, the business acumen of the zucc. Fantastically rich, hugely successful, driven, talented, all that crap. Anyway he also acquired RKO Pictures and led it to its demise 9 years later. In aviation he had many successes, he also had the spruce goose. He bought in to TWA then got forced out of its management. He died as a recluse, suffering from OCD and drug abuse, immortalized in a Simpsons episode with Mr. Burns portraying him. People can have business acumen, and sometimes it doesn't work out. Past successes doesn't guarantee future ones. Maybe the metaverse will eventually pay off and we'll all eat crow, or maybe (and this is the one I'm a believer of) it'll be a huge failure, an insane waste of money, and one of the spruce geese of his legacy.
- MyOutfitIsVague 2y ago
  Are you really claiming that it's inherently wrong to argue against somebody who is rich?
  - falcor84 2y ago
    No, not at all, it's absolutely cool to argue against specific decisions he made, but I just wanted to reject this attempt at sarcasm about his overall decision-making: >Zuckerberg, as always, is well known for making excellent business decisions that lead to greater sector buy in.
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      If we're being honest here. A lot of the current technocrats made one or two successful products or acquisitions, and more or less relied on those alone to power everything else. And they weren't necessarily the best, they were simple first. Everything else is incredibly hit or miss, so I wouldn't call them visionaries. Apple was almost the one exception, but the post Jobs era definitely had that cultural branding stagnate at best.
      - icepat 2y ago
        Yes, this is exactly why I think my comment was fair. Meta itself is where it is because it was first and got initial traction. Now it has an effective level of vendor lock-in. It's the equivalent of saying someone who won at slots on their first round is an expert gambler because they got a multi-million dollar payout, even if they've then subsequently lost every other turn on the machine.
- bigtimesink 2y ago
  Meta's success for the past 10 years had more to do with Cheryl Sandburg and building a culture that chases revenue metrics than whatever side project Zuckerberg is doing. He also misunderstands the product they do have. He said he didn't see TikTok as a competitor because they "aren't social," but Meta's products have been attention products, not social products, for a long time now.
- Nasrudith 2y ago
  Have you heard the term survivorship bias? Billionaires got so rich by being outliers, for better or worse. Even if they were guaranteed to be the best just going all in with one action in their portfolio isn't even what their overall strategy. Zuckerberg can afford to blow a few billion on a flop because it is only about 2% of his net worth. Notably, even he while poised and groomed for overconfidence by past successes and yes-men doesn't trust his own business acumen all that much!
- juped 2y ago
  I'm sorry for your sunk cost. I bought an early-ish Oculus Rift myself.

Zuckerberg, as always, is well known for making excellent business decisions that lead to greater sector buy in. The Metaverse is going great.

by icepat 2y ago

Zuckerberg, as always, is well known for making excellent business decisions that lead to greater sector buy in. The Metaverse is going great.

scarface_74 2y ago

On the other hand, Instagram has been called one of the greatest acquisitions of all time only below the Apple/Next acquisition.

arrowsmith 2y ago
That was 13 years ago. How are things going more recently?
- scarface_74 2y ago
  $53 million in 2012 and $62.36 billion in profit last year…

falcor84 2y ago

Really, that's what you're going with, arguing against the business acumen of the world's second richest person, and the only one at that scale with individual majority control over their company? As for the Metaverse, it was always intended as a very long-term play which is very early to be judged, but as an owner of a Quest headset, it's already going great for me.

Finnucane 2y ago
The Metaverse is actually still a thing? With, like, people in it and stuff? Who knew?
- falcor84 2y ago
  Well, we aren't yet "in it", but there's a lot of fun to be had with VR (and especially AR) activities. For example, I love how Eleven Table Tennis allows me to play ping pong with another person online, such that the table and their avatar appear to be in my living room. I don't know if this is "the future", but I'm pretty confident that these sorts of interactions will get more and more common, and I think that Meta is well positioned to take advantage of this. My big vision for this space is the integration of GenAI for creating 3d objects and full spaces in realtime, allowing the equivalent of The Magic School Bus, where a teacher could guide students on a virtual experience that is fully responsive and adjustable on the fly based on student questions. Similarly, playing D&D in such a virtual space could be amazing.
icepat 2y ago
Yes? I don't understand what is so outrageous about that. Most business decisions are not made by the CEO, and the ones we know are directly a result of him have been poor.
etblg 2y ago
Howard Hughes was one of the biggest business successes of the 20th century, on par with, if not exceeding, the business acumen of the zucc. Fantastically rich, hugely successful, driven, talented, all that crap. Anyway he also acquired RKO Pictures and led it to its demise 9 years later. In aviation he had many successes, he also had the spruce goose. He bought in to TWA then got forced out of its management. He died as a recluse, suffering from OCD and drug abuse, immortalized in a Simpsons episode with Mr. Burns portraying him. People can have business acumen, and sometimes it doesn't work out. Past successes doesn't guarantee future ones. Maybe the metaverse will eventually pay off and we'll all eat crow, or maybe (and this is the one I'm a believer of) it'll be a huge failure, an insane waste of money, and one of the spruce geese of his legacy.
MyOutfitIsVague 2y ago
Are you really claiming that it's inherently wrong to argue against somebody who is rich?
- falcor84 2y ago
  No, not at all, it's absolutely cool to argue against specific decisions he made, but I just wanted to reject this attempt at sarcasm about his overall decision-making: >Zuckerberg, as always, is well known for making excellent business decisions that lead to greater sector buy in.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    If we're being honest here. A lot of the current technocrats made one or two successful products or acquisitions, and more or less relied on those alone to power everything else. And they weren't necessarily the best, they were simple first. Everything else is incredibly hit or miss, so I wouldn't call them visionaries. Apple was almost the one exception, but the post Jobs era definitely had that cultural branding stagnate at best.
    - icepat 2y ago
      Yes, this is exactly why I think my comment was fair. Meta itself is where it is because it was first and got initial traction. Now it has an effective level of vendor lock-in. It's the equivalent of saying someone who won at slots on their first round is an expert gambler because they got a multi-million dollar payout, even if they've then subsequently lost every other turn on the machine.
bigtimesink 2y ago
Meta's success for the past 10 years had more to do with Cheryl Sandburg and building a culture that chases revenue metrics than whatever side project Zuckerberg is doing. He also misunderstands the product they do have. He said he didn't see TikTok as a competitor because they "aren't social," but Meta's products have been attention products, not social products, for a long time now.
Nasrudith 2y ago
Have you heard the term survivorship bias? Billionaires got so rich by being outliers, for better or worse. Even if they were guaranteed to be the best just going all in with one action in their portfolio isn't even what their overall strategy. Zuckerberg can afford to blow a few billion on a flop because it is only about 2% of his net worth. Notably, even he while poised and groomed for overconfidence by past successes and yes-men doesn't trust his own business acumen all that much!
juped 2y ago
I'm sorry for your sunk cost. I bought an early-ish Oculus Rift myself.