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> well over a dozen times a year since Covid lifted And you don't give two fucks about the negative environmental impact of flying? Or at least, feel a little

by shafyy 2y ago

> well over a dozen times a year since Covid lifted And you don't give two fucks about the negative environmental impact of flying? Or at least, feel a little shame or entitlement?

scarface_74 2y ago
Yes, I’m sure the plane wouldn’t take off if I wasn’t on it…
BobaFloutist 2y ago
As soon as they build a tunnel under the Atlantic or make widely available solar-electric "steamers" that can cross it in less than a week with four-figure ticket prices, I'll be thrilled to take that option. Ditto for a high-speed rail network throughout the continental US. Until then, it's simply unhelpful to try to shame people for not opting out of employer-mandated travel or limiting their vacation days to a 300-mile radius (or insisting that they spend multiple of those days driving).
- mmooss 2y ago
  Shame is unhelpful, but limited air travel is definitely helpful.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    How large of a percentage of your income do you give to help the less fortunate? Did you choose a career for the money or did you decide to choose a less lucrative career in a non profit?
    - mmooss 2y ago
      I don't understand? Are you accusing me of being imperfect? On what basis? :) Then should I do nothing or should we all do nothing? The perfect is the enemy of the good.
      - scarface_74 2y ago
        What sacrifices are you making to the lifestyle you want to have “to save the earth”? And no one can answer the question of how my flying in a plane that was already going to fly reduces emissions. I could also clutch my pearls and say people who drive into work instead of choosing a job that allows them to work remotely and refusing to be in an office would help climate change. Of course that would be silly and self serving. I bet everyone criticizing me would love to be in a position to have unlimited PTO, work remotely and be able to travel more. Not that we are rich - we are 50, empty nesters, downsized our home and moved to a state tax free state along with other fixed cost saving moves
        bdangubic 2y ago
        And no one can answer the question of how my flying in a plane that was already going to fly reduces emissions. you can worry about your carbon footprint or not - your choice - but this is about as silly of a statement as they come. this is like being nazi in Auschwitz and going “well someone else would commit these heinous crimes so what’s the difference if I do it.” you do your part - that is what you are in control in and what you can decide on based on your beliefs. but to say “well shit, this plane gonna take off anyways so imma just jump onboard and take a couple of seats that are available” is not an acceptable argument
        scarface_74 2y ago
        Did we just invoke “Godwin’s Law”? Did you choose a job where you didn’t have to go to work and cause carbon emissions? You purposefully chose a job where you decided to drive into work. Did you buy a house close enough to work to walk or ride a bike? Whet sacrifices have you personally made to reduce your carbon footprint?
        bdangubic 2y ago
        It really doesn’t matter what I did as you were the one commenting on but I’ll amswer Did you choose a job where you didn’t have to go to work and cause carbon emissions? yes, I am a contractor and have been working from home-office since 2007 You purposefully chose a job where you decided to drive into work. Did you buy a house close enough to work to walk or ride a bike? yes, I also chose a private school for my kid which is nearby and we bike to school weather-permitting roughly 75% of the time Whet sacrifices have you personally made to reduce your carbon footprint? I drive EV. My wife and I donate 10% of all our pre-tax earning significant portion of which goes to Oceana. I installed solar panels on my house long before it was even remotely economically feasible… We try to do our part, even in cases where it is a bit of theatre more so than actual benefit (recycling for instance)
- shafyy 2y ago
  > [...] limiting their vacation days to a 300-mile radius (or insisting that they spend multiple of those days driving). Why? Why does everybody think that they've got the God-given right to fly thousands of miles away to just lie at a beach for 3 days and come back? Why don't they realize that they are probably already very fortunate in life and with that fotune comes some responsibility? Maybe it's not helpful shaming them, but the more we de-normalize this behavior, the fewer people are going to do it.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    So why don’t we all just stay at home or bike everywhere?
scarface_74 2y ago
Do you have a better way to cross the ocean? Or should I never leave my city? Should I drive across the country?

by shafyy 2y ago

> well over a dozen times a year since Covid lifted And you don't give two fucks about the negative environmental impact of flying? Or at least, feel a little shame or entitlement?

scarface_74 2y ago

Yes, I’m sure the plane wouldn’t take off if I wasn’t on it…

BobaFloutist 2y ago

As soon as they build a tunnel under the Atlantic or make widely available solar-electric "steamers" that can cross it in less than a week with four-figure ticket prices, I'll be thrilled to take that option. Ditto for a high-speed rail network throughout the continental US. Until then, it's simply unhelpful to try to shame people for not opting out of employer-mandated travel or limiting their vacation days to a 300-mile radius (or insisting that they spend multiple of those days driving).

mmooss 2y ago
Shame is unhelpful, but limited air travel is definitely helpful.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  How large of a percentage of your income do you give to help the less fortunate? Did you choose a career for the money or did you decide to choose a less lucrative career in a non profit?
  - mmooss 2y ago
    I don't understand? Are you accusing me of being imperfect? On what basis? :) Then should I do nothing or should we all do nothing? The perfect is the enemy of the good.
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      What sacrifices are you making to the lifestyle you want to have “to save the earth”? And no one can answer the question of how my flying in a plane that was already going to fly reduces emissions. I could also clutch my pearls and say people who drive into work instead of choosing a job that allows them to work remotely and refusing to be in an office would help climate change. Of course that would be silly and self serving. I bet everyone criticizing me would love to be in a position to have unlimited PTO, work remotely and be able to travel more. Not that we are rich - we are 50, empty nesters, downsized our home and moved to a state tax free state along with other fixed cost saving moves
      - bdangubic 2y ago
        And no one can answer the question of how my flying in a plane that was already going to fly reduces emissions. you can worry about your carbon footprint or not - your choice - but this is about as silly of a statement as they come. this is like being nazi in Auschwitz and going “well someone else would commit these heinous crimes so what’s the difference if I do it.” you do your part - that is what you are in control in and what you can decide on based on your beliefs. but to say “well shit, this plane gonna take off anyways so imma just jump onboard and take a couple of seats that are available” is not an acceptable argument
        scarface_74 2y ago
        Did we just invoke “Godwin’s Law”? Did you choose a job where you didn’t have to go to work and cause carbon emissions? You purposefully chose a job where you decided to drive into work. Did you buy a house close enough to work to walk or ride a bike? Whet sacrifices have you personally made to reduce your carbon footprint?
        bdangubic 2y ago
        It really doesn’t matter what I did as you were the one commenting on but I’ll amswer Did you choose a job where you didn’t have to go to work and cause carbon emissions? yes, I am a contractor and have been working from home-office since 2007 You purposefully chose a job where you decided to drive into work. Did you buy a house close enough to work to walk or ride a bike? yes, I also chose a private school for my kid which is nearby and we bike to school weather-permitting roughly 75% of the time Whet sacrifices have you personally made to reduce your carbon footprint? I drive EV. My wife and I donate 10% of all our pre-tax earning significant portion of which goes to Oceana. I installed solar panels on my house long before it was even remotely economically feasible… We try to do our part, even in cases where it is a bit of theatre more so than actual benefit (recycling for instance)
shafyy 2y ago
> [...] limiting their vacation days to a 300-mile radius (or insisting that they spend multiple of those days driving). Why? Why does everybody think that they've got the God-given right to fly thousands of miles away to just lie at a beach for 3 days and come back? Why don't they realize that they are probably already very fortunate in life and with that fotune comes some responsibility? Maybe it's not helpful shaming them, but the more we de-normalize this behavior, the fewer people are going to do it.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  So why don’t we all just stay at home or bike everywhere?

scarface_74 2y ago

Do you have a better way to cross the ocean? Or should I never leave my city? Should I drive across the country?