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If bmw or any other manufacturer was to do that in my car, i would just call over and over their sale man with the 'bluetooth call' until they loose more money

If bmw or any other manufacturer was to do that in my car, i would just call over and over their sale man with the 'bluetooth call' until they loose more money by showing me ads than they earn. In my country stellantis (owner of jeep brand) tried to save by money by hiding that their car's airbag is killing people. Now there's been enough dead that that they can't just ignore it and made a recall but waiting list is very long. They knew that since at least 2016, 8 years before the recall. They could have done it slowly since then, avoid drivers death and not having people locked out of their car waiting for airbag replacement. I guess they were working harder on the new Jeep advertisement system.

jr000 2y ago
"Take the number of vehicles in the field, (A), and multiply it by the probable rate of failure, (B), then multiply the result by the average out-of- court settlement, (C). A times B times C equals X...If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one."
- pavel_lishin 2y ago
  I wonder how many people are on HN who've never seen Fight Club, and thus don't recognize the quote.
- aucisson_masque 2y ago
  i know it's a fight club quote but man, does a human life has a cost ? young people, mother, father getting butchered by stellantis airbag. And they are not alone, other manufacturer decided to keep it under the rug, like wolkswagen. there is the old saying "an eye for an eye", if each time a mother or a kid died because of these airbags you hanged stellantis director's relative, the world would be a better place.
  - simoncion 2y ago
    > ...does a human life has a cost ? Yep: <https://www.npr.org/2020/04/23/843310123/how-government-agencies-determine-the-dollar-value-of-human-life https://www.npr.org/2020/04/23/843310123/how-government-agen...>. It's hard not to assign a dollar value to a human life when you're trying to do useful large-scale disaster planning.

jr000 2y ago

"Take the number of vehicles in the field, (A), and multiply it by the probable rate of failure, (B), then multiply the result by the average out-of- court settlement, (C). A times B times C equals X...If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one."

pavel_lishin 2y ago
I wonder how many people are on HN who've never seen Fight Club, and thus don't recognize the quote.
aucisson_masque 2y ago
i know it's a fight club quote but man, does a human life has a cost ? young people, mother, father getting butchered by stellantis airbag. And they are not alone, other manufacturer decided to keep it under the rug, like wolkswagen. there is the old saying "an eye for an eye", if each time a mother or a kid died because of these airbags you hanged stellantis director's relative, the world would be a better place.
- simoncion 2y ago
  > ...does a human life has a cost ? Yep: <https://www.npr.org/2020/04/23/843310123/how-government-agencies-determine-the-dollar-value-of-human-life https://www.npr.org/2020/04/23/843310123/how-government-agen...>. It's hard not to assign a dollar value to a human life when you're trying to do useful large-scale disaster planning.