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The main reason I ditched NixOS was the missing ability to run dynamically linked executables by default and not wanting to deal with the possible fixes. Good

The main reason I ditched NixOS was the missing ability to run dynamically linked executables by default and not wanting to deal with the possible fixes. Good to See that there is hope for that.

Diti 2y ago
I know it’s not a default, but `buildFHSUserEnv` is probably what you would have been interested in.
- kokada 2y ago
  There is also `nix-alien` (I am the author BTW), that automates the process of listing all program dynamic libraries (as long they're not loaded at runtime) and creating the `shell.nix` file with `buildFHSUserEnv`. And also `programs.nix-ld` now, that allow you to impurely include libraries available to all programs. It does some LD_LIBRARY_PATH hacks, but AFAIK it worked well enough for me when I had this in my system (I don't anymore since I barely run dynamically linked executable from other sources).
  - sandreas 2y ago
    Thanks. Try `tone`[1] my pet project. I'm pretty sure it won't work without tinkering out of the box. Since I need a dev machine, that supports my FOSS projects, NixOS is not for me :-) BTW it was not the ONLY reason, I ditched it, but the main reason. There were a lot of nice advantages to NixOS, but they did not outweight the issues I personally had. 1: https://github.com/sandreas/tone https://github.com/sandreas/tone
    - lloeki 2y ago
      > I'm pretty sure it won't work without tinkering out of the box This worked OOTB: curl -L -O https://github.com/sandreas/tone/releases/download/v0.2.4/tone-0.2.4-linux-arm64.tar.gz tar xzf tone-0.2.4-linux-arm64.tar.gz nix run github:thiagokokada/nix-alien -- ./tone-0.2.4-linux-arm64/tone --help Which is nice because: a) I didn't know about tone b) I am in the process of sorting out some tagging of my personal music so tone looks like exactly what I need and will come in super handy So, thanks!
      - sandreas 2y ago
        You're welcome. Maybe use 0.2.5 then, i probably forgot to update the readme :-)
    - Cloudef 2y ago
      You can use nix on FHS OS as well
jowea 2y ago
steam-run solves this for me at least.
- _jackdk_ 2y ago
  Seconded. Despite sounding like it's only a tool for games, `steam-run` is very useful for generally running foreign binaries on NixOS. There's also `nix-ld`: https://github.com/nix-community/nix-ld https://github.com/nix-community/nix-ld
max-privatevoid 2y ago
You ditched NixOS for the very reason it was created. Not being able to run binaries with missing libraries is a feature. The idea is to make you aware of your implicit dependencies, and to force you to make them explicit. This makes me wonder if you were subjected to false advertising.
- sandreas 2y ago
  Maybe. I was drawn in by the reproducable setup routine that can't break the existing system. I didn't think too mich about how it is achieved.
- mingus88 2y ago
  Advertising in the Nix space is wild. I first learned about it in the realm of reproducible builds as well, which feels more like a “nix the language” feature This led me to install nixos which is really kind of an output of that design, a distribution built from nixpgks. There are some rough spots that make it hard for a daily driver. That distro is a bit much for my needs and I have retreated back to a home-manager cross platform setup for my arch/debian/macos systems, and it turns out the entire reason I started looking at Nix (builds) went nowhere Getting adoption for Nix builds at work or with my OSS projects is has been hard. Docker is everywhere and easy, while Nix feels like a fractured and poorly documented ecosystem.

The main reason I ditched NixOS was the missing ability to run dynamically linked executables by default and not wanting to deal with the possible fixes. Good to See that there is hope for that.

Diti 2y ago

I know it’s not a default, but `buildFHSUserEnv` is probably what you would have been interested in.

kokada 2y ago
There is also `nix-alien` (I am the author BTW), that automates the process of listing all program dynamic libraries (as long they're not loaded at runtime) and creating the `shell.nix` file with `buildFHSUserEnv`. And also `programs.nix-ld` now, that allow you to impurely include libraries available to all programs. It does some LD_LIBRARY_PATH hacks, but AFAIK it worked well enough for me when I had this in my system (I don't anymore since I barely run dynamically linked executable from other sources).
- sandreas 2y ago
  Thanks. Try `tone`[1] my pet project. I'm pretty sure it won't work without tinkering out of the box. Since I need a dev machine, that supports my FOSS projects, NixOS is not for me :-) BTW it was not the ONLY reason, I ditched it, but the main reason. There were a lot of nice advantages to NixOS, but they did not outweight the issues I personally had. 1: https://github.com/sandreas/tone https://github.com/sandreas/tone
  - lloeki 2y ago
    > I'm pretty sure it won't work without tinkering out of the box This worked OOTB: curl -L -O https://github.com/sandreas/tone/releases/download/v0.2.4/tone-0.2.4-linux-arm64.tar.gz tar xzf tone-0.2.4-linux-arm64.tar.gz nix run github:thiagokokada/nix-alien -- ./tone-0.2.4-linux-arm64/tone --help Which is nice because: a) I didn't know about tone b) I am in the process of sorting out some tagging of my personal music so tone looks like exactly what I need and will come in super handy So, thanks!
    - sandreas 2y ago
      You're welcome. Maybe use 0.2.5 then, i probably forgot to update the readme :-)
  - Cloudef 2y ago
    You can use nix on FHS OS as well

jowea 2y ago

steam-run solves this for me at least.

_jackdk_ 2y ago
Seconded. Despite sounding like it's only a tool for games, `steam-run` is very useful for generally running foreign binaries on NixOS. There's also `nix-ld`: https://github.com/nix-community/nix-ld https://github.com/nix-community/nix-ld

max-privatevoid 2y ago

You ditched NixOS for the very reason it was created. Not being able to run binaries with missing libraries is a feature. The idea is to make you aware of your implicit dependencies, and to force you to make them explicit. This makes me wonder if you were subjected to false advertising.

sandreas 2y ago
Maybe. I was drawn in by the reproducable setup routine that can't break the existing system. I didn't think too mich about how it is achieved.
mingus88 2y ago
Advertising in the Nix space is wild. I first learned about it in the realm of reproducible builds as well, which feels more like a “nix the language” feature This led me to install nixos which is really kind of an output of that design, a distribution built from nixpgks. There are some rough spots that make it hard for a daily driver. That distro is a bit much for my needs and I have retreated back to a home-manager cross platform setup for my arch/debian/macos systems, and it turns out the entire reason I started looking at Nix (builds) went nowhere Getting adoption for Nix builds at work or with my OSS projects is has been hard. Docker is everywhere and easy, while Nix feels like a fractured and poorly documented ecosystem.