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I don’t think we need to lie or be disingenuous about this gesture, Elon is not known for his hate of Jewish people. I think this obviously fake take helps him.

I don’t think we need to lie or be disingenuous about this gesture, Elon is not known for his hate of Jewish people. I think this obviously fake take helps him. There is enough to criticize in his actions.

pjc50 2y ago
European countries are quite capable of making their own judgement about a gesture, especially when it would be illegal in France and Germany. https://www.zeit.de/kultur/2025-01/elon-musk-hitler-salute-inauguration-donald-trump-english https://www.zeit.de/kultur/2025-01/elon-musk-hitler-salute-i...
- addandsubtract 2y ago
  German media has been extremely coy calling Elon out about it. You would think that they'd be all over this, but them phrasing it as questions and digging out the "roman salute" (that no one here has heard of before) has been an eye-opening experience.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    Have they? I mean, that was a link to a German newspaper and the headline is: > A German Eye On Elon Musk's Hitler Salute (Yes, That's A Hitler Salute)
    - addandsubtract 2y ago
      It's an opinion piece, and exceptions confirm the rule. Just search for German news articles on Google.de. See how many legit news outlets mention "Musk Hitlergruß" and how many more opt to beat around the bush when you search for "Musk Geste".
      - ben_w 2y ago
        Do you even get a count of search results? They no longer include that number in my search results. But I have just tried "Musk Geste" on google.de news tab (I don't know how Google is personalising either my search results or your results, but FWIW I'm in Berlin), and of the first page, 6/10 links explicitly call the gesture a "Hitlergruß" in the summary, and the other four call it that (or note that some people have called it that) in the body.
rhubarbtree 2y ago
Obviously this is room for a flame war, but I don’t think the poster was being deliberately malicious, rather it is perfectly reasonable to interpret the gesture as a nazi salute. You may disagree that it was. We shouldn’t let that argument distract from the impact it has had on Tesla demand in Europe. For me personally it was the final straw and I won’t be buying one as I had hoped to. Along with other actions certain to hit sales, and the lack of an apology (which would have been wise, even if you didn’t mean it as a nazi salute) suggests that Musk doesn’t care about Tesla car sales. I suspect he knows the writing is on the wall for Tesla, so he’s betting on robotics as an escape hatch. I wonder if he’s also hoping tariffs against china will help vs their EVs. Either way, I don’t see much hope for Tesla right now.
- Tuth5rjrjit 2y ago
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Paradigma11 2y ago
Must has spent quite a lot of time recently supporting far right groups. Most likely he picked it up unconsciously.
FranzFerdiNaN 2y ago
Guy who talks like a nazi, supports nazi parties, boosts nazis on his social media platform does a nazi salute and you still doubt what he meant?
- 01jonny01 2y ago
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  - motorest 2y ago
    > 0 evidence to support these nonsense claims. Either you've been living under a rock or you're trolling. In the very least, beyond the very public way he repeatedly did the Nazi salute and was very unapologetic about it, you can't ignore away how Musk went way out of his way to support a neoNazi party from Germany.
    - 01jonny01 2y ago
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      - cma 2y ago
        "You have said the actual truth" ?
      - shmeeed 2y ago
        On the other hand, neonazis and their enablers are united in the inevitable cry for proof and "truth", and then looking the other way when it's delivered. Obviously this is a very efficient tactic, and I agree with you it's why the left lost.
      - the-chitmonger 2y ago
        Hey, I agree that he probably would never identify as a neo-Nazi. I think he thought he was being really cool and edgy throwing out the salute that was co-opted/adjusted by the Nazi party. The company he keeps still informs us on what he's willing to tolerate, and as I've laid out in your parent comment, he's chosen time and time again to endorse some pretty problematic ideas.
latexr 2y ago
> Elon is not known for his hate of Jewish people. You might not know him for that, but people who pay attention do. https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/business/elon-musk-reveals-his-actual-truth/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/business/elon-musk-reveals-hi...

pjc50 2y ago

European countries are quite capable of making their own judgement about a gesture, especially when it would be illegal in France and Germany. https://www.zeit.de/kultur/2025-01/elon-musk-hitler-salute-inauguration-donald-trump-english https://www.zeit.de/kultur/2025-01/elon-musk-hitler-salute-i...

addandsubtract 2y ago
German media has been extremely coy calling Elon out about it. You would think that they'd be all over this, but them phrasing it as questions and digging out the "roman salute" (that no one here has heard of before) has been an eye-opening experience.
- ben_w 2y ago
  Have they? I mean, that was a link to a German newspaper and the headline is: > A German Eye On Elon Musk's Hitler Salute (Yes, That's A Hitler Salute)
  - addandsubtract 2y ago
    It's an opinion piece, and exceptions confirm the rule. Just search for German news articles on Google.de. See how many legit news outlets mention "Musk Hitlergruß" and how many more opt to beat around the bush when you search for "Musk Geste".
    - ben_w 2y ago
      Do you even get a count of search results? They no longer include that number in my search results. But I have just tried "Musk Geste" on google.de news tab (I don't know how Google is personalising either my search results or your results, but FWIW I'm in Berlin), and of the first page, 6/10 links explicitly call the gesture a "Hitlergruß" in the summary, and the other four call it that (or note that some people have called it that) in the body.

rhubarbtree 2y ago

Obviously this is room for a flame war, but I don’t think the poster was being deliberately malicious, rather it is perfectly reasonable to interpret the gesture as a nazi salute. You may disagree that it was. We shouldn’t let that argument distract from the impact it has had on Tesla demand in Europe. For me personally it was the final straw and I won’t be buying one as I had hoped to. Along with other actions certain to hit sales, and the lack of an apology (which would have been wise, even if you didn’t mean it as a nazi salute) suggests that Musk doesn’t care about Tesla car sales. I suspect he knows the writing is on the wall for Tesla, so he’s betting on robotics as an escape hatch. I wonder if he’s also hoping tariffs against china will help vs their EVs. Either way, I don’t see much hope for Tesla right now.

Tuth5rjrjit 2y ago
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Paradigma11 2y ago

Must has spent quite a lot of time recently supporting far right groups. Most likely he picked it up unconsciously.

FranzFerdiNaN 2y ago

Guy who talks like a nazi, supports nazi parties, boosts nazis on his social media platform does a nazi salute and you still doubt what he meant?

01jonny01 2y ago
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- motorest 2y ago
  > 0 evidence to support these nonsense claims. Either you've been living under a rock or you're trolling. In the very least, beyond the very public way he repeatedly did the Nazi salute and was very unapologetic about it, you can't ignore away how Musk went way out of his way to support a neoNazi party from Germany.
  - 01jonny01 2y ago
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    - cma 2y ago
      "You have said the actual truth" ?
    - shmeeed 2y ago
      On the other hand, neonazis and their enablers are united in the inevitable cry for proof and "truth", and then looking the other way when it's delivered. Obviously this is a very efficient tactic, and I agree with you it's why the left lost.
    - the-chitmonger 2y ago
      Hey, I agree that he probably would never identify as a neo-Nazi. I think he thought he was being really cool and edgy throwing out the salute that was co-opted/adjusted by the Nazi party. The company he keeps still informs us on what he's willing to tolerate, and as I've laid out in your parent comment, he's chosen time and time again to endorse some pretty problematic ideas.

latexr 2y ago

> Elon is not known for his hate of Jewish people. You might not know him for that, but people who pay attention do. https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/business/elon-musk-reveals-his-actual-truth/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/business/elon-musk-reveals-hi...