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AFAIK the engineers are aware of all this, they just aren’t allowed to work on things that haven’t been prioritized and blessed. Since there is no bug database

by manmal 2y ago

AFAIK the engineers are aware of all this, they just aren’t allowed to work on things that haven’t been prioritized and blessed. Since there is no bug database that can be read outside Apple, we can‘t +1 the most annoying ones. Instead, they rely on manual (semi-automated?) deduplication of the bug reports. Bugs also need to somewhat fit into the „theme of the year“ to get prioritized.

walterbell 2y ago
> Since there is no bug database that can be read outside Apple, we can‘t +1 the most annoying ones. Some Apple Radar bugs are tracked publicly on OpenRadar, but there's no (yet?) voting mechanism: https://openradar.appspot.com/ https://openradar.appspot.com/ https://github.com/timburks/openradar/issues https://github.com/timburks/openradar/issues > Bugs also need to somewhat fit into the „theme of the year“ to get prioritized. User-defined themes for Apple bug annotation could be ranked by annoyance and compared to annual themes.
godelski 2y ago
> the engineers are aware of all this, they just aren’t allowed to work on things that haven’t been prioritized and blessed I accept this answer, but this is honestly a more concerning problem. And I ask, at what point should engineers rebel and be "radical fixers"?
- manmal 2y ago
  I guess they‘d rather get promoted or at least not fired :/
  - godelski 2y ago
    This appears to represent a failure within the company. It means the employees are more loyal to managers than they are to the product. Which means your management is failing at their jobs. I suspect for similar reasons, turtles all the way up. But I'm not sure it's surprising as C Suite execs value quarterly earnings over product. But the latter is supposed to drive the former
- finnthehuman 2y ago
  Gumption was branded "cowboy coding," then dragged out back and shot. I like where you're coming from, but micromanagement is still the flavor of the times.
  - godelski 2y ago
    Then I hereby submit my vote in favor of revolt. I mean hey, they think they can replace us with AI coders and want to get rid of us anyways. But if we are just yes men and don't take pride in our work, then are we that different?
engcoach 2y ago
This is true, and all downstream from ex-MS narcs and assholes taking over. They don't know or care what makes a good product, and are only skilled at looking good to other midwits.

by manmal 2y ago

walterbell 2y ago

> Since there is no bug database that can be read outside Apple, we can‘t +1 the most annoying ones. Some Apple Radar bugs are tracked publicly on OpenRadar, but there's no (yet?) voting mechanism: https://openradar.appspot.com/ https://openradar.appspot.com/ https://github.com/timburks/openradar/issues https://github.com/timburks/openradar/issues > Bugs also need to somewhat fit into the „theme of the year“ to get prioritized. User-defined themes for Apple bug annotation could be ranked by annoyance and compared to annual themes.

godelski 2y ago

> the engineers are aware of all this, they just aren’t allowed to work on things that haven’t been prioritized and blessed I accept this answer, but this is honestly a more concerning problem. And I ask, at what point should engineers rebel and be "radical fixers"?

manmal 2y ago
I guess they‘d rather get promoted or at least not fired :/
- godelski 2y ago
  This appears to represent a failure within the company. It means the employees are more loyal to managers than they are to the product. Which means your management is failing at their jobs. I suspect for similar reasons, turtles all the way up. But I'm not sure it's surprising as C Suite execs value quarterly earnings over product. But the latter is supposed to drive the former
finnthehuman 2y ago
Gumption was branded "cowboy coding," then dragged out back and shot. I like where you're coming from, but micromanagement is still the flavor of the times.
- godelski 2y ago
  Then I hereby submit my vote in favor of revolt. I mean hey, they think they can replace us with AI coders and want to get rid of us anyways. But if we are just yes men and don't take pride in our work, then are we that different?

engcoach 2y ago

This is true, and all downstream from ex-MS narcs and assholes taking over. They don't know or care what makes a good product, and are only skilled at looking good to other midwits.