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> One, this isn't a thing in the developed world. I mean, if you're saying that the US doesn't count as "the developed world" then I'd agree with you, but othe

> One, this isn't a thing in the developed world. I mean, if you're saying that the US doesn't count as "the developed world" then I'd agree with you, but otherwise I'd encourage you to take a field trip to your local river banks and highway underpasses if you want to see what happens if you fail to sell your labor. > Existence isn't free It'd be pretty darn close to it if the means of said existence weren't hoarded and price-gouged for the sake of profiteering and rentseeking. We have enough food in the US to end world hunger. Most cities have more vacant homes than they have homeless persons. Any supposed scarcity of basic essentials is artificial. > Strong communities tend to start with acknowledging the reality that is the cost of existing. Strong communities tend to start with acknowledging that their members deserve to have food to eat, clothes on their backs, and rooves over their heads, and are consequently willing to operate on a principle of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> take a field trip to your local river banks and highway underpasses if you want to see what happens if you fail to sell your labor Very few of those folks are there because they're ready and willing to work but just can't find a job. (Those who are, the transitional homeless, tend to find one.) > We have enough food in the US to end world hunger We have enough atoms in the universe for anything. Getting them to the right place is the challenge. Ending world hunger would require massively decreasing living standards in the rich world. Your aforementioned homeless under a bridge have better access to resources than much of the human population.
- yellowapple 2y ago
  > Very few of those folks are there because they're ready and willing to work but just can't find a job. (Those who are, the transitional homeless, tend to find one.) Most of the chronically homeless started off as transitionally homeless. The longer you're in that hole, the harder it is to climb out - and the greater the psychological toll, and the greater the temptation to turn to drugs/alcohol to numb the psychological and physical suffering resulting from being in that hole. > Ending world hunger would require massively decreasing living standards in the rich world. I very much doubt that. But fine, we can start by ending hunger in the "rich" world.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Most of the chronically homeless started off as transitionally homeless Sure. Doesn't change the fact that someone "tak[ing] a field trip to [their] local river banks and highway underpasses" is going to see about 5x more transitionally homeless than chronically homeless [1]. > we can start by ending hunger in the "rich" world It's a good goal. And we're making progress on it [2]. Starving to death in the rich world is largely a thing of the past; consider the meaning of our shifting our measure of food insecurity from starvation to hunger. [1] https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/who-experiences-homelessness/chronically-homeless/ https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/who-expe... [2] https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/reports/2022/09/food-insecurity-and-food-assistance-programmes-across-oecd-countries_2e3fe549/42b4a7fa-en.pdf https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/report...

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> take a field trip to your local river banks and highway underpasses if you want to see what happens if you fail to sell your labor Very few of those folks are there because they're ready and willing to work but just can't find a job. (Those who are, the transitional homeless, tend to find one.) > We have enough food in the US to end world hunger We have enough atoms in the universe for anything. Getting them to the right place is the challenge. Ending world hunger would require massively decreasing living standards in the rich world. Your aforementioned homeless under a bridge have better access to resources than much of the human population.

yellowapple 2y ago
> Very few of those folks are there because they're ready and willing to work but just can't find a job. (Those who are, the transitional homeless, tend to find one.) Most of the chronically homeless started off as transitionally homeless. The longer you're in that hole, the harder it is to climb out - and the greater the psychological toll, and the greater the temptation to turn to drugs/alcohol to numb the psychological and physical suffering resulting from being in that hole. > Ending world hunger would require massively decreasing living standards in the rich world. I very much doubt that. But fine, we can start by ending hunger in the "rich" world.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Most of the chronically homeless started off as transitionally homeless Sure. Doesn't change the fact that someone "tak[ing] a field trip to [their] local river banks and highway underpasses" is going to see about 5x more transitionally homeless than chronically homeless [1]. > we can start by ending hunger in the "rich" world It's a good goal. And we're making progress on it [2]. Starving to death in the rich world is largely a thing of the past; consider the meaning of our shifting our measure of food insecurity from starvation to hunger. [1] https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/who-experiences-homelessness/chronically-homeless/ https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/who-expe... [2] https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/reports/2022/09/food-insecurity-and-food-assistance-programmes-across-oecd-countries_2e3fe549/42b4a7fa-en.pdf https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/report...