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Before TSA existed we could get through security without paying the extra $85. Why doesn't the TSA just pre-check everyone? It just feels like a scam to me.

johnnyanmac 2y ago
It's just more examples of enshittification over the decades. Nevermind the checkin, the premiums for first class are absurd (and nowadays there's at least 4 different tiers of flight, not just 2), you don't get free snacks anymore, seating is smaller, etc. Those times of treating customers with respected ended quite a while ago (except during COVID of course. But that's mostly over).
- scarface_74 2y ago
  Unless you fly an ULCC, you get snacks for flights except for really short flights.
- fasa99 2y ago
  >customers with respected ended quite a while ago (except during COVID of course. But that's mostly over). I definitely didn't feel respected during covid. There was a mask rule, standard for the time, fine. But then they give out drinks, okay. They were extremely strict, you must sip your drink and have your mask on again within less than a second. Long sips, unacceptable. Pause in your sip, unacceptable, there needs to then be two sips with an intermediate remasking. The air staff were quite 1930s Germany as far as the rigor of their enforcement of this rule. This has all the charm and beside manner of a driver laying on their horn 200ms after the red light turns green. Quite bizarre, the mask fetish, when most passengers were vaccinated and there's this huge vector of spreading the disease called touching things with pathogens on their surface aka fomites.
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    Where was this? When I travelled here in Europe we could just take our mask off while eating/drinking. No second rule. That would indeed be super annoying. What I find annoying these days are those people who theatrically mask up and then look at you like you're supposed to do the same. Luckily it's very uncommon in aviation now. A bit more in the metro but they can just walk elsewhere if they want.
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      It’s even dumber when people mask up and don’t put the mask over their nose.
scarface_74 2y ago
You still can. TSA requires a background check and fingerprinting.
- vel0city 2y ago
  Yeah, but why can't I just do that once for free instead of an ongoing subscription?
  - scarface_74 2y ago
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    - vel0city 2y ago
      Absolutely. Why have any charge at all? Why is the government expecting me to pay for it? Fuck the poor I guess, they wait in line. Why should I have to pay at all? Why not make everyone going through security pay $5 every time to recoup the costs for the TSA through user fees? And it's not like it's only $70-85 every five years, it's per person so I'll have to buy for my whole family. Quite a bit more than just $70! And in the end it's all bullshit anyways. Just a way to sort people willing to give up the money versus those who don't know, don't want to, or can't pay.
      - scarface_74 2y ago
        Why should I pay for your TSA Precheck? Let’s be real though, we are only talking about taking your shoes off and belt. It won’t kill you to do that. If you have a disability that doesn’t enable you to do either, I’m sure they will make an exception. And kids up to 17 don’t need Precheck if flying with a parent
        vel0city 2y ago
        > Why should I pay for your TSA Precheck? Are you really complaining about spending $70 once every five years to give me TSA Precheck? You won't even notice paying for my Precheck. Why should I pay for your usage of the TSA? Why not have all $7.55B entirely funded by direct user fees, handing the TSA agents cash or tap a credit card while you go through the scanner? Why should I pay for your airports (often constructed with massive tax subsidies and grants)? Why should I pay for the highways you drive on to go to your airport? > we are only talking about taking your shoes off and belt. No, we're also talking about stereoscopic facial scans, high resolution millimeter wave scans of my body, yet another centralized government database tracking my movements, having to showcase all my valuables to all the other passersby by dumping all the electronics out of my bag, wasting my time, wasting our tax dollars, for pretty much no benefit. Ooh but I can skip the line if I surrender more biometrics and pay extra! How nice!

johnnyanmac 2y ago

It's just more examples of enshittification over the decades. Nevermind the checkin, the premiums for first class are absurd (and nowadays there's at least 4 different tiers of flight, not just 2), you don't get free snacks anymore, seating is smaller, etc. Those times of treating customers with respected ended quite a while ago (except during COVID of course. But that's mostly over).

scarface_74 2y ago
Unless you fly an ULCC, you get snacks for flights except for really short flights.
fasa99 2y ago
>customers with respected ended quite a while ago (except during COVID of course. But that's mostly over). I definitely didn't feel respected during covid. There was a mask rule, standard for the time, fine. But then they give out drinks, okay. They were extremely strict, you must sip your drink and have your mask on again within less than a second. Long sips, unacceptable. Pause in your sip, unacceptable, there needs to then be two sips with an intermediate remasking. The air staff were quite 1930s Germany as far as the rigor of their enforcement of this rule. This has all the charm and beside manner of a driver laying on their horn 200ms after the red light turns green. Quite bizarre, the mask fetish, when most passengers were vaccinated and there's this huge vector of spreading the disease called touching things with pathogens on their surface aka fomites.
- wkat4242 2y ago
  Where was this? When I travelled here in Europe we could just take our mask off while eating/drinking. No second rule. That would indeed be super annoying. What I find annoying these days are those people who theatrically mask up and then look at you like you're supposed to do the same. Luckily it's very uncommon in aviation now. A bit more in the metro but they can just walk elsewhere if they want.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    It’s even dumber when people mask up and don’t put the mask over their nose.

scarface_74 2y ago

You still can. TSA requires a background check and fingerprinting.

vel0city 2y ago
Yeah, but why can't I just do that once for free instead of an ongoing subscription?
- scarface_74 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - vel0city 2y ago
    Absolutely. Why have any charge at all? Why is the government expecting me to pay for it? Fuck the poor I guess, they wait in line. Why should I have to pay at all? Why not make everyone going through security pay $5 every time to recoup the costs for the TSA through user fees? And it's not like it's only $70-85 every five years, it's per person so I'll have to buy for my whole family. Quite a bit more than just $70! And in the end it's all bullshit anyways. Just a way to sort people willing to give up the money versus those who don't know, don't want to, or can't pay.
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      Why should I pay for your TSA Precheck? Let’s be real though, we are only talking about taking your shoes off and belt. It won’t kill you to do that. If you have a disability that doesn’t enable you to do either, I’m sure they will make an exception. And kids up to 17 don’t need Precheck if flying with a parent
      - vel0city 2y ago
        > Why should I pay for your TSA Precheck? Are you really complaining about spending $70 once every five years to give me TSA Precheck? You won't even notice paying for my Precheck. Why should I pay for your usage of the TSA? Why not have all $7.55B entirely funded by direct user fees, handing the TSA agents cash or tap a credit card while you go through the scanner? Why should I pay for your airports (often constructed with massive tax subsidies and grants)? Why should I pay for the highways you drive on to go to your airport? > we are only talking about taking your shoes off and belt. No, we're also talking about stereoscopic facial scans, high resolution millimeter wave scans of my body, yet another centralized government database tracking my movements, having to showcase all my valuables to all the other passersby by dumping all the electronics out of my bag, wasting my time, wasting our tax dollars, for pretty much no benefit. Ooh but I can skip the line if I surrender more biometrics and pay extra! How nice!