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Moving really is just the objectively correct answer. People can't always live in the big city, there are a number of places where you can very comfortably live

Moving really is just the objectively correct answer. People can't always live in the big city, there are a number of places where you can very comfortably live for not much at all.

yellowapple 2y ago
Moving is also both financially and socially disruptive, which is why "just move" is more often than not the precise opposite of the objectively correct answer for people who are already financially stressed and therefore likely dependent on their social connections to minimize various living expenses (e.g. moving in with friends/family, and/or having friends/family watch your kids while you're at work). Yes, plenty of people do end up moving, but almost always as a last resort, and almost always with a preference toward places where they already know people. I ended up moving cities after high school because nobody in my hometown was willing to hire me (this being the years immediately after the '08 recession; even McDonald's was flooded with college-graduate applicants). That was only possible because I already had a job lined up in a town close enough to where my grandparents lived that I could live with them until I had my own apartment. Not everyone is as fortunate as I am.
- zeroCalories 2y ago
  If you're not willing to move sounds like your economic situation isn't that bad.
  - yellowapple 2y ago
    Or, as I just explained above, your economic situation is so bad that you outright can't afford it unless you're desperate enough to walk however many hundreds of miles required.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > your economic situation is so bad that you outright can't afford it unless you're desperate enough to walk however many hundreds of miles required The answer to someone who can't or won't move, and has no economic use where they are, is subsidy. (Well, I guess or letting them starve.) If someone insists on staying where they are and not upskilling, either because they can't or won't, they're implicitly demanding a subsidy.
      - yellowapple 2y ago
        A subsidy would indeed be a huge help, and I'm all for it.
    - zeroCalories 2y ago
      I could be a million dollars in debt, disabled, with kids, and still find a way to move. Sorry but I don't buy it that you're ever too poor to move. I think people just don't want to make the sacrifices necessary for it.
      - ty6853 2y ago
        Can be tough if parenting is shared. You'll probably have to see a judge and if the other parent won't agree they'll just award them custody and now there is a warrant for your arrest because you missed payments while hitchhiking to some far away place with jobs. Otherwise yeah easy problem to solve, there is always a train or car you can ride on.

Moving really is just the objectively correct answer. People can't always live in the big city, there are a number of places where you can very comfortably live for not much at all.

yellowapple 2y ago

Moving is also both financially and socially disruptive, which is why "just move" is more often than not the precise opposite of the objectively correct answer for people who are already financially stressed and therefore likely dependent on their social connections to minimize various living expenses (e.g. moving in with friends/family, and/or having friends/family watch your kids while you're at work). Yes, plenty of people do end up moving, but almost always as a last resort, and almost always with a preference toward places where they already know people. I ended up moving cities after high school because nobody in my hometown was willing to hire me (this being the years immediately after the '08 recession; even McDonald's was flooded with college-graduate applicants). That was only possible because I already had a job lined up in a town close enough to where my grandparents lived that I could live with them until I had my own apartment. Not everyone is as fortunate as I am.

zeroCalories 2y ago
If you're not willing to move sounds like your economic situation isn't that bad.
- yellowapple 2y ago
  Or, as I just explained above, your economic situation is so bad that you outright can't afford it unless you're desperate enough to walk however many hundreds of miles required.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > your economic situation is so bad that you outright can't afford it unless you're desperate enough to walk however many hundreds of miles required The answer to someone who can't or won't move, and has no economic use where they are, is subsidy. (Well, I guess or letting them starve.) If someone insists on staying where they are and not upskilling, either because they can't or won't, they're implicitly demanding a subsidy.
    - yellowapple 2y ago
      A subsidy would indeed be a huge help, and I'm all for it.
  - zeroCalories 2y ago
    I could be a million dollars in debt, disabled, with kids, and still find a way to move. Sorry but I don't buy it that you're ever too poor to move. I think people just don't want to make the sacrifices necessary for it.
    - ty6853 2y ago
      Can be tough if parenting is shared. You'll probably have to see a judge and if the other parent won't agree they'll just award them custody and now there is a warrant for your arrest because you missed payments while hitchhiking to some far away place with jobs. Otherwise yeah easy problem to solve, there is always a train or car you can ride on.