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> This isn't what I suggest at all This you? > They can either have $40B in OpenAI equity or $97B. In other words: the big number trumps the small number - Q

> This isn't what I suggest at all This you? > They can either have $40B in OpenAI equity or $97B. In other words: the big number trumps the small number - QED. > and zero on what it means to OpenAI-NP Why do you believe OpenAI-NP wouldn't care about all the issues I raised?

_2d30 2y ago
> This you? > > They can either have $40B in OpenAI equity or $97B. > In other words: the big number trumps the small number - QED. Yes those are words I used to describe a factual choice they have. Following that are a lot more words that dive deeper into that discussion. Here's how I summarized my initial point in the TL;DR on my ultimate parent post: "Musk is trying to force OpenAI to value OpenAI-NP's stake in OpenAI-P at a reasonable level which is far greater than the current $40B which will help Musk by potentially derailing OpenAI-P's goal to be spun off. For people with smooth brains like me, I'll helpfully point out how this doesn't present Elon's offer as "an instant checkmate." The first word to note is "trying." This suggests it is an attempt to do something that is not guaranteed to result in a win (ie a "checkmate"). The second word is "potentially" which again reinforces the case that this does not guarantee Elon achieves the stated goal (ie is not "checkmate"). > Why do you believe OpenAI-NP wouldn't care about all the issues I raised? My prior post raised all sorts of reasons and you seem to have decided to ignore them to build strawmen.
- root_axis 2y ago
  > Here's how I summarized my initial point in the TL;DR on my ultimate parent post: Yes. I responded directly to that comment, acknowledged it as interesting, but stated that there are obvious reasons why this fact - that you are building your entire argument around - isn't the primary concern in this transaction. In exchange, you offered me feigned disbelief that all the insanity surrounding Musk isn't totally distorting the economic incentives at play. > Following that are a lot more words that dive deeper into that discussion Following that are a lot more words saying the same thing over and over again: > ...either $40B of equity or $97B of cash. 97 bigger than 40 > in the scenario where they chose the $40B in OpenAI equity, they are eschewing $97B with which they can achieve their mission if they choose 40 they are eschewing 97 (which is bigger than 40) > but in this case they get to deploy $97B of capital to their goals. In this case, rather than having 40 to put towards their goals, they have 97, 97 of course being higher than 40. > My prior post raised all sorts of reasons and you seem to have decided to ignore them to build strawmen. It's not a strawman, it's essentially the only thing you've had to say this entire thread. If an executive order is passed to make 40 greater than 97 your entire argument completely dissipates.
  - _2d30 2y ago
    LMAO you literally just removed every word about the incentives around control of OpenAI-P and are claiming it's not a strawman to say that the only thing I say is 97 > 40.
    - root_axis 2y ago
      It's not a strawman, it's the crux of your argument. The rest is just hand-waving away the chaos that Musk represents for OpenAI P and NP so you can repeatedly frame this is a simple question of which number is bigger than the other - hence why you have to repeat it over and over again. > how is Elon uniquely special This is the part that is obvious to everyone, but I already offered a few reasons why. If you can't see them, then I think we're at an impasse.

_2d30 2y ago

> This you? > > They can either have $40B in OpenAI equity or $97B. > In other words: the big number trumps the small number - QED. Yes those are words I used to describe a factual choice they have. Following that are a lot more words that dive deeper into that discussion. Here's how I summarized my initial point in the TL;DR on my ultimate parent post: "Musk is trying to force OpenAI to value OpenAI-NP's stake in OpenAI-P at a reasonable level which is far greater than the current $40B which will help Musk by potentially derailing OpenAI-P's goal to be spun off. For people with smooth brains like me, I'll helpfully point out how this doesn't present Elon's offer as "an instant checkmate." The first word to note is "trying." This suggests it is an attempt to do something that is not guaranteed to result in a win (ie a "checkmate"). The second word is "potentially" which again reinforces the case that this does not guarantee Elon achieves the stated goal (ie is not "checkmate"). > Why do you believe OpenAI-NP wouldn't care about all the issues I raised? My prior post raised all sorts of reasons and you seem to have decided to ignore them to build strawmen.

root_axis 2y ago
> Here's how I summarized my initial point in the TL;DR on my ultimate parent post: Yes. I responded directly to that comment, acknowledged it as interesting, but stated that there are obvious reasons why this fact - that you are building your entire argument around - isn't the primary concern in this transaction. In exchange, you offered me feigned disbelief that all the insanity surrounding Musk isn't totally distorting the economic incentives at play. > Following that are a lot more words that dive deeper into that discussion Following that are a lot more words saying the same thing over and over again: > ...either $40B of equity or $97B of cash. 97 bigger than 40 > in the scenario where they chose the $40B in OpenAI equity, they are eschewing $97B with which they can achieve their mission if they choose 40 they are eschewing 97 (which is bigger than 40) > but in this case they get to deploy $97B of capital to their goals. In this case, rather than having 40 to put towards their goals, they have 97, 97 of course being higher than 40. > My prior post raised all sorts of reasons and you seem to have decided to ignore them to build strawmen. It's not a strawman, it's essentially the only thing you've had to say this entire thread. If an executive order is passed to make 40 greater than 97 your entire argument completely dissipates.
- _2d30 2y ago
  LMAO you literally just removed every word about the incentives around control of OpenAI-P and are claiming it's not a strawman to say that the only thing I say is 97 > 40.
  - root_axis 2y ago
    It's not a strawman, it's the crux of your argument. The rest is just hand-waving away the chaos that Musk represents for OpenAI P and NP so you can repeatedly frame this is a simple question of which number is bigger than the other - hence why you have to repeat it over and over again. > how is Elon uniquely special This is the part that is obvious to everyone, but I already offered a few reasons why. If you can't see them, then I think we're at an impasse.