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Can you give an example? I dislike Musk as much as the next person, but I can't think of any major state actors or criminal organizations he'd currently be ant

Can you give an example? I dislike Musk as much as the next person, but I can't think of any major state actors or criminal organizations he'd currently be antagonizing.

deadbabe 2y ago
Don’t worry, once he is no longer under the protection of the US government he’ll probably be a dead man. They will get to him.
AnotherGoodName 2y ago
He’s pushed boundaries on the Ukraine war. Both the Russians and the Ukrainians would be willing and capable of assassination if it helped war goals but I think he just hasn’t quite crossed a line to either side where he’s better off dead. Eg. Starlink connections in Ukraine are geofenced. Which would piss off both sides in various ways. Pisses off ukraine because they have legitimate targets outside the fence and pisses off russia because they have legitimate targets inside the fence. That’s walking a fine line.
- rlt 2y ago
  > Starlink connections in Ukraine are geofenced This was debunked. Starlink was never active in Crimea because Crimea was sanctioned by the US. He said if the US government asked him to activate it he would. They did not.
smgit 2y ago
Read some history of the Gilded Age. What happened to Rockefeller, Carnegie and JP Morgan? It wasn't the plebs and their jabbering (see muckrakers) that directly took them down, though that jabbering did help give an unusual dude from the NY aristocracy named Teddy(who couldn't stand the muckrakers) political cover to move against them. Also worth reading about the 2 elections preceding Teddy's fascinating rise to power, where the oligarchy bought the Presidency.
- Kemschumam 2y ago
  That sounds extremely interesting. Do you have particular books you would recommend?
  - jddj 2y ago
    TR's autobiography is in the public domain, for one
- ks2048 2y ago
  Ok, so who brought down these three?
- cafard 2y ago
  The Rockefellers and Morgans were brought down? It was a pretty soft landing for them, then.
ben_w 2y ago
The governments of Brazil, thanks to how Musk treated their judges and Musk blatantly favoured people who were being investigated for inciting violence and planning a coup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Twitter_in_Brazil#X_and_Elon_Musk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Twitter_in_Brazil#... of the UK, for calling for a government minister's arrest and for his "civil war" tweet: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ydddy3qzgo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ydddy3qzgo and https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/elon-musk-needs-to-be-held-to-account-for-comments-on-uk-sir-ed-davey/ar-AA1ygYmy https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/elon-musk-need... and https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-called-uk-ministers-not-appropriate-2009884 https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-called-uk-ministers-not-a... of Germany, as "Germany's lower house of parliament, the Bundestag, is investigating whether Musk's support for the AfD on the platform where he has 210 million followers could constitute an illegal party donation": https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/elon-musk-investigated-in-europe-amid-interference/ar-BB1reLWZ https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/elon-musk-investigated-... (also note that the party he's supporting, AfD, is getting investigated for being hostile to the constitution: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-69003733 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-69003733) of Italy, where he has been warned by "Italian President Sergio Mattarella to stop interfering in the country’s affairs after a controversial tweet on his page asked for judges to be dismissed": https://www.euronews.com/next/2025/01/04/germany-accused-musk-of-interfering-in-upcoming-elections-where-else-has-he-weighed-in https://www.euronews.com/next/2025/01/04/germany-accused-mus... of Canada, because of what he's doing in so many other places: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/musk-angus-trudeau-poilievre-1.7439975 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/musk-angus-trudeau-poilievr...

Can you give an example? I dislike Musk as much as the next person, but I can't think of any major state actors or criminal organizations he'd currently be antagonizing.

deadbabe 2y ago

Don’t worry, once he is no longer under the protection of the US government he’ll probably be a dead man. They will get to him.

AnotherGoodName 2y ago

He’s pushed boundaries on the Ukraine war. Both the Russians and the Ukrainians would be willing and capable of assassination if it helped war goals but I think he just hasn’t quite crossed a line to either side where he’s better off dead. Eg. Starlink connections in Ukraine are geofenced. Which would piss off both sides in various ways. Pisses off ukraine because they have legitimate targets outside the fence and pisses off russia because they have legitimate targets inside the fence. That’s walking a fine line.

rlt 2y ago
> Starlink connections in Ukraine are geofenced This was debunked. Starlink was never active in Crimea because Crimea was sanctioned by the US. He said if the US government asked him to activate it he would. They did not.

smgit 2y ago

Read some history of the Gilded Age. What happened to Rockefeller, Carnegie and JP Morgan? It wasn't the plebs and their jabbering (see muckrakers) that directly took them down, though that jabbering did help give an unusual dude from the NY aristocracy named Teddy(who couldn't stand the muckrakers) political cover to move against them. Also worth reading about the 2 elections preceding Teddy's fascinating rise to power, where the oligarchy bought the Presidency.

Kemschumam 2y ago
That sounds extremely interesting. Do you have particular books you would recommend?
- jddj 2y ago
  TR's autobiography is in the public domain, for one
ks2048 2y ago
Ok, so who brought down these three?
cafard 2y ago
The Rockefellers and Morgans were brought down? It was a pretty soft landing for them, then.

ben_w 2y ago

The governments of Brazil, thanks to how Musk treated their judges and Musk blatantly favoured people who were being investigated for inciting violence and planning a coup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Twitter_in_Brazil#X_and_Elon_Musk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Twitter_in_Brazil#... of the UK, for calling for a government minister's arrest and for his "civil war" tweet: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ydddy3qzgo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ydddy3qzgo and https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/elon-musk-needs-to-be-held-to-account-for-comments-on-uk-sir-ed-davey/ar-AA1ygYmy https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/elon-musk-need... and https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-called-uk-ministers-not-appropriate-2009884 https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-called-uk-ministers-not-a... of Germany, as "Germany's lower house of parliament, the Bundestag, is investigating whether Musk's support for the AfD on the platform where he has 210 million followers could constitute an illegal party donation": https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/elon-musk-investigated-in-europe-amid-interference/ar-BB1reLWZ https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/elon-musk-investigated-... (also note that the party he's supporting, AfD, is getting investigated for being hostile to the constitution: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-69003733 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-69003733) of Italy, where he has been warned by "Italian President Sergio Mattarella to stop interfering in the country’s affairs after a controversial tweet on his page asked for judges to be dismissed": https://www.euronews.com/next/2025/01/04/germany-accused-musk-of-interfering-in-upcoming-elections-where-else-has-he-weighed-in https://www.euronews.com/next/2025/01/04/germany-accused-mus... of Canada, because of what he's doing in so many other places: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/musk-angus-trudeau-poilievre-1.7439975 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/musk-angus-trudeau-poilievr...