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Gulf of America is a more inclusive name anyway since both USA and Mexico are part of North America, but since it's Trump everyone hates it. People can't really

Gulf of America is a more inclusive name anyway since both USA and Mexico are part of North America, but since it's Trump everyone hates it. People can't really even articulate what's wrong with it in a vacuum without mentioning Trump. I don't even like Trump, but this "renaming" is neutral at worst, inclusive at best.

darknavi 2y ago
I'm not sure what "(North) America" means and what Trump thinks "America" means are the same thing.
- amazingamazing 2y ago
  why does it matter?
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    It’s annoying. It was annoying when San Francisco school boards were doing it. It’s annoying when Trump does it. The illiberal left and right need to just create their own maps and dictionaries and leave the rest of us alone.
  - oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
    Motive matters, this principle is long-established in most Western countries legislatures.
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beart 2y ago
The counter reaction is strong as well. I don't agree with this so I must just hate Trump, right? It's a feedback loop in both directions. Frankly I just think it's a waste of time and energy. I'm referring both to the original action, as well as the continuing ramp up of divisiveness.
freehorse 2y ago
TIL that when Trump was saying "make america great again" he was actually talking about mexico
AlotOfReading 2y ago
If you read the executive order, it's not about inclusivity and the term America does not refer to the continent. Quoting the order, it's to "honor the contributions of visionary and patriotic Americans in our Nation’s rich past". The term "Gulf of Mexico" has been in common use for over 400 years, long before the US was even a thing. No one had a legitimate problem with the name.
- amazingamazing 2y ago
  Luckily in America if someone has serious grievances about this they can choose to vote for a candidate that will revert it. Given the other things Trump is up to, this is a non-issue. The collective time spent discussing it is sad.
  - AlotOfReading 2y ago
    Wasn't your point that "America" is an inclusive term for all of North America? Many of those Americans can't vote in the US even if we accept the absurdity of voting based on naming preferences.
- anonfordays 2y ago
  >it's not about inclusivity and the term America does not refer to the continent. The last five to ten years of activist similarly told us these things don't matter though. Doesn't matter that "blacklist" or "master" has nothing to do with Black people or slavery. We had to change them to more inclusive terms anyway. >The term "Gulf of Mexico" has been in common use for over 400 years, long before the US was even a thing. The exact same was said about "blacklist" and "master", among others. >No one had a legitimate problem with the name. Someone did, evidenced by the change. Or are you saying we shouldn't give in to the activists pushing this change? How ironic.
  - AlotOfReading 2y ago
    I also think blacklist and master are silly terminology changes, so I'm not sure what's ironic here.
stahtops 2y ago
"People hate it" because the motivation for it is xenophobia
- Thuggery 2y ago
  I don't care about accusations of xenophobia. I don't like it because I don't like pointless historical revisionism. It's been called Gulf of Mexico since the 17th century, before there was a USA. And I don't like the stink of arbitrary dictators renaming things for ego or propaganda reasons. This is the sort of thing North Korea or Turkmenbashi would do, and I think that's pathetic for America.
dc3k 2y ago
> Gulf of America is a more inclusive name anyway since both USA and Mexico are part of North America gulf of america is not more inclusive. the "renaming" was not meant to be inclusive, it was very clearly meant to be divisive. this is a similar argument to one often used when people call canadians americans: "umm, ackshully, canada is in north america, so it's correct to call them americans" and of course the flaw in that argument is that literally nobody on earth considers canadians to be americans except people on the internet trying to sound smart.
- amazingamazing 2y ago
  you make up some argument no one actually makes and point out its flaw? congrats I guess.
- anonfordays 2y ago
  >gulf of america is not more inclusive. Sure it is. Mexico is not the only country in the Americas that has a maritime border on this body of water.
gritspartan 2y ago
There are two other countries which have coastlines on the Gulf of Mexico. They are Cuba and Mexico. Neither of them call it the Gulf of America. The name is not inclusive, even when you leave out Trump's intentions.
- anonfordays 2y ago
  >The name is not inclusive Sure it is. Mexico is not the only country in the Americas that has a maritime border on this body of water. Gulf of America is a more accurate and inclusive name. In the spirit of inclusivity we should keep it, just like we should keep "blocklist" and "main."

darknavi 2y ago

I'm not sure what "(North) America" means and what Trump thinks "America" means are the same thing.

amazingamazing 2y ago
why does it matter?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  It’s annoying. It was annoying when San Francisco school boards were doing it. It’s annoying when Trump does it. The illiberal left and right need to just create their own maps and dictionaries and leave the rest of us alone.
- oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
  Motive matters, this principle is long-established in most Western countries legislatures.
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beart 2y ago

The counter reaction is strong as well. I don't agree with this so I must just hate Trump, right? It's a feedback loop in both directions. Frankly I just think it's a waste of time and energy. I'm referring both to the original action, as well as the continuing ramp up of divisiveness.

freehorse 2y ago

TIL that when Trump was saying "make america great again" he was actually talking about mexico

AlotOfReading 2y ago

If you read the executive order, it's not about inclusivity and the term America does not refer to the continent. Quoting the order, it's to "honor the contributions of visionary and patriotic Americans in our Nation’s rich past". The term "Gulf of Mexico" has been in common use for over 400 years, long before the US was even a thing. No one had a legitimate problem with the name.

amazingamazing 2y ago
Luckily in America if someone has serious grievances about this they can choose to vote for a candidate that will revert it. Given the other things Trump is up to, this is a non-issue. The collective time spent discussing it is sad.
- AlotOfReading 2y ago
  Wasn't your point that "America" is an inclusive term for all of North America? Many of those Americans can't vote in the US even if we accept the absurdity of voting based on naming preferences.
anonfordays 2y ago
>it's not about inclusivity and the term America does not refer to the continent. The last five to ten years of activist similarly told us these things don't matter though. Doesn't matter that "blacklist" or "master" has nothing to do with Black people or slavery. We had to change them to more inclusive terms anyway. >The term "Gulf of Mexico" has been in common use for over 400 years, long before the US was even a thing. The exact same was said about "blacklist" and "master", among others. >No one had a legitimate problem with the name. Someone did, evidenced by the change. Or are you saying we shouldn't give in to the activists pushing this change? How ironic.
- AlotOfReading 2y ago
  I also think blacklist and master are silly terminology changes, so I'm not sure what's ironic here.

stahtops 2y ago

"People hate it" because the motivation for it is xenophobia

Thuggery 2y ago
I don't care about accusations of xenophobia. I don't like it because I don't like pointless historical revisionism. It's been called Gulf of Mexico since the 17th century, before there was a USA. And I don't like the stink of arbitrary dictators renaming things for ego or propaganda reasons. This is the sort of thing North Korea or Turkmenbashi would do, and I think that's pathetic for America.

dc3k 2y ago

> Gulf of America is a more inclusive name anyway since both USA and Mexico are part of North America gulf of america is not more inclusive. the "renaming" was not meant to be inclusive, it was very clearly meant to be divisive. this is a similar argument to one often used when people call canadians americans: "umm, ackshully, canada is in north america, so it's correct to call them americans" and of course the flaw in that argument is that literally nobody on earth considers canadians to be americans except people on the internet trying to sound smart.

amazingamazing 2y ago
you make up some argument no one actually makes and point out its flaw? congrats I guess.
anonfordays 2y ago
>gulf of america is not more inclusive. Sure it is. Mexico is not the only country in the Americas that has a maritime border on this body of water.

gritspartan 2y ago

There are two other countries which have coastlines on the Gulf of Mexico. They are Cuba and Mexico. Neither of them call it the Gulf of America. The name is not inclusive, even when you leave out Trump's intentions.

anonfordays 2y ago
>The name is not inclusive Sure it is. Mexico is not the only country in the Americas that has a maritime border on this body of water. Gulf of America is a more accurate and inclusive name. In the spirit of inclusivity we should keep it, just like we should keep "blocklist" and "main."